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From: normb@tekred.UUCP (Norm Babcock )
Newsgroups: net.aviation
Subject: Stall, and Stall Again
Message-ID: <142@tekred.UUCP>
Date: Wed, 31-Oct-84 13:01:11 EST
Article-I.D.: tekred.142
Posted: Wed Oct 31 13:01:11 1984
Date-Received: Fri, 2-Nov-84 05:30:56 EST
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I'd like some opinions re departure stalls. Whenever I
fly with a CFI in order to get checked out for rental
purposes, eventually we get to the point where I'm flat
on my back, looking at a bunch of blue (or gray) sky, with
the a/c feeling as if it's balanced on its tail, and ready
to recover when ready. In real life, I'm supposed to be
unaware of such an extreme attitude until the a/c quits
flying, and I find myself in a nose down attitude, not
knowing how I got there. The purpose of the drill is to make
sure I can recover.

I question the validity of this procedure. It's great fun,
and with a little practice you can start a spin entry and
check the nerves of the CFI. (Light planes only, in one
you know, and at altitude, please. I'd hate to lose a net
buddy.) I'd think it would be of greater merit to stall in
a more normal climb attitude, or approach attitude. It may
be that a heavier a/c stalls at a much lower nose attitude
and is much more sudden and vicious, (150s and 172s take
forever), and you'd never get to such extreme attitudes
before the bottom drops out. Has anyone stalled the heavy 
stuff?

Incidentally, in a movie I saw a biplane make a strafing run
on the bad guys, pull up to vertical at the end, kick the rudder
at the top (just before stall?), and the a/c pivoted (still
nose up),returned to level flight, and was ready to make another 
run. What is this maneuver? Is it as simple as it looks?
                                                Norm