Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site ho95b.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!ho95b!ran From: ran@ho95b.UUCP (ran) Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: aquatic origins (repost) Message-ID: <252@ho95b.UUCP> Date: Tue, 13-Nov-84 13:57:32 EST Article-I.D.: ho95b.252 Posted: Tue Nov 13 13:57:32 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 14-Nov-84 04:54:12 EST Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 60 Our machine became terminally ill just after I sent this out, so I don't think it made it anywhere. If it did, sorry about the reposting. >there was an article in a magazine (perhaps Science or Discover, I don't >remember) that postulated an aquatic/amphibious ape in Man's ancestry. It >based this on the pattern of hair on the body, which is arranged in a sort >of flow pattern along the arms and other areas. The author(s) suggested that >a pre-homonid ape developed a semi-aquatic lifestyle, possibly in a way >similar to that of the Japanese macques. >-- > Pete Hardie, Univ. of Florida, CIS Gould > username: hardie Check out the book "The Descent of Woman", by Elaine Morgan (circa early 1970s?). She gives a nice summary (and a few new ideas) of somebody else's (sure can't remember who) presentation of this thesis. Some of the high points (i.e., those I can remember without looking for my copy of the book): * Aquatic animals are the ones that lose their hair, like the whale, walrus, seal, manatee, hippo, elephant (not really aquatic, but damn good swimmers). By the way, she claims the thesis that man (and woman---one of the points of her book is that anthropologists are too male-oriented) lost the hair because of the drying out and heating up of the African plains is just hogwash. Lions and zebras and et ceteras managed just fine without going naked. * Humans cry salt tears. This helps clear out the stinging of being in the salty ocean. Once again, the above animals are the only ones doing so. * Face-to-face copulation makes a lot more sense in the water than the rear approach favored by most land animals. * The shape of the nose is more conducive to standing around in the water, doing some minor dunkings and swimming, and not inhaling as much water as would happen with a typical ape nose. * Standing up. The thesis has our ancestors inhabiting the shallow shores of the ocean. Humans stood up in order to keep their heads above water while wading. * Breasts. What good is a breast (aside from the obvious aesthetic value :-))? Other mammals manage without such a globular protrusion. Morgan claims that the globular shape makes for an easier grab (for baby) in water. Another mammal with similar breasts is the manatee (the ones sailors probably thought were mermaids). * Long head hair. This is supposed to give a swimming baby something to hold on to (when not holding the breast). It also protects from sunburn the one part that would normally still be above water in a wading environment. This gives you the general idea. I don't know what the current anthropological view of all this is. -- ". . . and shun the frumious Bandersnatch." Bob Neinast (ihnp4!ho95b!ran) AT&T-Bell Labs