Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site amdahl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!zehntel!dual!amdahl!gam From: gam@amdahl.UUCP (Gordon A. Moffett) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: Re: Free Will Definition Message-ID: <399@amdahl.UUCP> Date: Mon, 22-Oct-84 23:06:02 EDT Article-I.D.: amdahl.399 Posted: Mon Oct 22 23:06:02 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 24-Oct-84 03:52:26 EDT References: <2261@ihnss.UUCP> Organization: Amdahl Corp, Sunnyvale CA Lines: 38 Free will: the absence of negative reinforcers. From B F Skinner's "Beyond Freedom and Dignity" (pg 39-40): Man's struggle for freedom is not due to a will to be free, but to certain behavioral processes characteristic of the human organism, the chief effect of which is the avoidance of or escape from so-called "aversive" features of the environment. Physical and biological technologies have been mainly concerned with natural aversive stimuli; the struggle for freedom is concerned with stimuli INTENTIONALLY ARRANGED BY OTHER PEOPLE [emphasis mine]. The literature of freedom has identified the other people and has proposed ways of escaping from them or weakening or destroying their power. It has been successful in reducing the aversive stimuli used in intentional control, but it has made the mistake of defining freedom in terms of states of mind or feelings, and it has therefore not been able to deal effectively with techniques of control which do not breed escape or revolt but nevertheless have aversive consequences. It has been forced to brand all control as wrong and to misrepresent many of the advantages to be gained from a social environment.... The Libertarian philosophy is the best example I can think of where control is viewed as wrong [this is not a swipe at Libertarianism; I admire many of their ideals, but I believe their philosophy is what Skinner is talking about]. -- Gordon A. Moffett ...!{ihnp4,hplabs,amd,nsc}!amdahl!gam ~ You say you want a revolution ... ~ [ This is just me talking. ]