Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site flairvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!hplabs!oliveb!ios!qubix!sun!decwrl!flairvax!baba From: baba@flairvax.UUCP (Baba ROM DOS) Newsgroups: net.philosophy Subject: replies on freedom - incomprehensible Message-ID: <799@flairvax.UUCP> Date: Fri, 26-Oct-84 09:06:06 EST Article-I.D.: flairvax.799 Posted: Fri Oct 26 09:06:06 1984 Date-Received: Mon, 29-Oct-84 02:54:20 EST Organization: Fairchild AI Lab, Palo Alto, CA Lines: 21 >AAAUUUUGGGGHHHH! Freedom has NOTHING, repeat NOTHING, to do with randomness! >Dice are NOT any freer than billiard balls! And ROM DOS's extra condition is >hopelessly ad hoc -- what do self-awareness and randomness have to do with >each other? Or with free will? Does knowledge of one's slavery make one >less a slave? Should the thought that one is subject to chance give any >comfort? I would rather that my actions follow a consistent rationale. >Freedom has nothing to do with predictability. It has a lot to do with >rationality and the ability to evaluate actions according to a consistent, >best justified set of norms. If my behavior can be accurately predicted, one of two things must be true: either my behavior is deterministic or the predictor has precognition. Predictability has rather more to to do with free will than slavery does. Knowledge of one's ignorance *does* make one less ignorant. And please, Paul, don't scream like that. My terminal has very sensitive phosphors ;-) Baba