Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site wucs.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!wucs!esk From: esk@wucs.UUCP (Paul V. Torek) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Walter Wego speaks out Message-ID: <435@wucs.UUCP> Date: Wed, 24-Oct-84 12:34:53 EDT Article-I.D.: wucs.435 Posted: Wed Oct 24 12:34:53 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 25-Oct-84 03:44:58 EDT Distribution: net Organization: Washington U. in St. Louis, CS Dept. Lines: 53 [wasn't it nice of Paul to let me use his account] You folks probably don't know me. My name is Walter Wego. I've been watching this discussion of libertarianism and I have a few of my own comments. How can any of you libertarians out there support the existence of government? Don't you know government is based on coercion? Govt. claims a monopoly on the right to use force within its territory (or at least to dictate the terms under which force may be used) -- that's a definition. (We might want to add extra conditions to this definition, like that a government has the might to enforce this monopoly claim -- thus a weak govt. might cease to be a govt. at all -- but the above condition is necessary.) All of the functions that some of you less consistent libertarians have accepted as proper roles of govt., could in principle be provided in the free market. Consider police protection and the administration of justice. There already exist private security firms that one can hire. In a libertarian society, everyone would have their choice among these type of firms in the free market. Those who could not afford them could get together with others in their neighborhood and form self-defense associations. If anyone in the association is hurt and the guilty party can be determined, appropriate punishment will be administered by the group. If associations and/or protection agencies ever come into conflict, they can settle their differences by hiring an arbitration agency (already done today in many labor-management disputes). After all, arbitration is much better for the clients of protection agencies than trying to settle disputes by force. That the free market can accomplish this and other functions that supposedly require government is argued well by Sanders, *The Ethical Argument Against Government*. Of course, my friend Paul here will probably complain about "externalities" and "public goods", but the proper reply to him is that whether or not those are problems for the free market, it simply violates people's rights for the govt. to try to provide "public goods" by taxing to pay for them. Let's have some consistency, fellow libertarians! Next time I'll look at human rights and what they imply about our rights to use or exclusive use of physical objects (including objects improved by labor). --Walter "I've got bad news and good news about the election. The bad news is that Ronald Reagan will win. The good news is that Walter Mondale won't." -- columnist Stephen Chapman Brought to you by the Stephen Chapman for President Committee, Paul V Torek, chairman (ihnp4!wucs!wucec1!pvt1047) Please send any mail to this address, not the sender's. Thanks.