Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site mit-eddie.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!lkk From: lkk@mit-eddie.UUCP (Larry Kolodney) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Starving Libertarians Message-ID: <3006@mit-eddie.UUCP> Date: Sun, 28-Oct-84 12:03:04 EST Article-I.D.: mit-eddi.3006 Posted: Sun Oct 28 12:03:04 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 30-Oct-84 01:29:10 EST References: <1754@inmet.UUCP> <2984@mit-eddie.UUCP> <471@unmvax.UUCP> Organization: MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 44 >> (me) > (cliff@unmvax) >> I've never met a starving libertarian. >Have you met *any* starving U.S. citizen? (no? Me neither.) Well, I used "starving" in sentence to mean generally living in dire poverty, and there are millions living in such. There IS a severe mal-nutrition problem in most ghettos, I don't know if you call that "starving". >> In fact all the libertarians I've met >> have been well educated (usually thru public education), >Are you objecting to people that have been well educated, or trying to point >out that public education is a big win? What about people who don't get decent >public education? I'm objecting to the fact that the people who complain the most about "big government" are the very ones who gain the most out of it. Some things that probably would not exist without big government: USENET (exists because of corporations and universities which tend to have huge govt. contracts, while allow phone bills to dissapear in the accounting (no flames from the few exceptions)) U. New Mexico (you even admit you are a govt. employee (getting yours while its still available eh?)) National Parks: The mineral resources are always going to be worth more than "scenic value", only if a non-economicly motivated entity (US govt.) can buy land will it remain virgin. That plane you were about to catch: FCC is a govt. agency, with an excellent safety record. I'm really glad that airlines don't have to consider the economic tradeoffs when deciding on the level of my safety. -- larry kolodney (The Devil's Advocate) UUCP: ...{ihnp4, decvax!genrad}!mit-eddie!lkk ARPA: lkk@mit-mc