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From: martillo@mit-athena.ARPA (Joaquim Martillo)
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Subject: Re: Re: Peace in the Middle East
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Date: Mon, 29-Oct-84 10:54:50 EST
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Posted: Mon Oct 29 10:54:50 1984
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>> >> [The Israelis] can do what they damn well please with any territory they
>> >> can hold by force of arms.
>> 
>> >HEY! So it's alright for the Soviet Union to stay in Afghanistan after all!

>> Since Muslim sovereignty anywhere is illegitimate, why not?
>> 
>> Actually,  since  the Soviets are contemptible, supporting the mujahadin
>> so that there can be mutual slaughter is preferable.
>
>I've read several of your attacks on Moslems recently, but this one really
>goes too far. You are exhibiting the worst of Zionism -- a blind hatred
>of an entire religon, just the sort of thing that Jews had to fight for
>several thousand years of their existence. Maybe it's a natural reaction
>of a people who have been as oppressed as the Jews, but this sort of
>attitude makes comparisons between some elements of Zionism today (like
>you and Rabbi Kahane) and the Nazis seem not so far fetched.

I happen to be of the opinion that voting in an Israeli election may  be
forbidden  mide'oraita  (forbidden  by explicit biblical command).  I am
extremely anti-European Zionism which I consider to have picked up  some
very  evil  Western  ideas.   My  detestation of Islam is not blind.  My
family lived under Islamic rule until the fifties.  We would oppose  the
existence  of  Muslim  countries even if there had never been a state of
Israel.

I am familiar with the texts of Islam.  I read Arabic and keep  up  with
events   in   Muslim   countries.   By  the  standards  with  which  the
Enlightenment attacked Christianity, Islam is 1000 times worse.

The wrongness of Christian vilification of Judaism hardly  implies  that
other  religions  have  no  flaws.   I  consider  the devotion of 5/8 of
Islamic jurisprudence to the degradation and humiliation of  non-Muslims
a  very  serious  flaw  which  needs to be condemned in the most violent
terms possible especially because no `alim (Islamic scholar) is  willing
to concede that this emphasis might be some sort of tiny failing.

I  do  not  favor the expulsion of the Muslims from Israel.  At the very
least their presence might discourage the use of atomics against Israel.
I  do  think  they  should  not  vote  in  Israeli  elections.   I favor
negotiation with the PLO because I see no reason to distinguish  between
the  cut-throats in the PLO and the cut-throats in the Syrian government
(or any other Islamic government for that matter).