Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/12/84; site mit-hermes.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!mit-hermes!jpexg From: jpexg@mit-hermes.ARPA (John Purbrick) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Re: re: Women Heads of State (Summary) Message-ID: <2216@mit-hermes.ARPA> Date: Wed, 7-Nov-84 15:27:43 EST Article-I.D.: mit-herm.2216 Posted: Wed Nov 7 15:27:43 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 8-Nov-84 19:29:12 EST References: <205@hocsj.UUCP> <2214@mit-hermes.ARPA> <6140@mcvax.UUCP> Organization: The MIT AI Lab, Cambridge, MA Lines: 19 > Since in Iceland girls get their surnames from their mother: > +dottir, and boys similarly from their father + son, > then "Finbogasdottir" must be a matronymic, not a patronymic! > > Steven Pemberton, CWI, Amsterdam If that's true, you are absolutely right. In fact, Magnus Magnusson says in his notes to the Sagas that there were cases when Icelanders would (do?) use matronymics rather than patronymics. This would happen if a child's father had been dead a long time, or if the mother were especially well known. The patro/matro-nymic was (is) a pragmatic device to identify people by their best-known parent so you'd know something about their origins. He didn't say that women used a matronymic, but that would make Iceland an unusually feminist society (at least in terms of names). Russians of both sexes (to cite the only other example I know) use patronynmics only--but only as a middle name. I suggest that any further discussion of this subject take place in net.nlang.