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From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER)
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Subject: Re: Re:Expertise:Nuclear War Casualties
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Date: Mon, 12-Nov-84 12:00:58 EST
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> The Limited Test Ban never broken????  Oh come on now!  There is
> significant seismological data that puts the legality of
> many Soviet tests into question.  Who told you that anyways?
> They havent flagrantly broken it, but since we have no seismological
> stations in the USSR its awfully hard to tell.
> 				Milo
Milo, you are confusing the Limited Test Ban Treaty negotiated by Kennedy
which bans atmospheric testing of nuclear weapons with the Comprehensive
Test Ban Treaty and the Threshold Test Ban Treaty.  The Threshold Test Ban
Treaty (never yet officially ratified by the US thanks to RR and cronies)
limits underground nuclear tests to 150 kilotons.
The Limited Test Ban Treaty has NEVER been broken by the US or Soviet Union.
That is a fact acknowledged by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in a report on
Soviet Treaty Compliance in 1981.  Not even members of the Reagan Administration
who are determined to find Soviet cheating everywhere possible would accuse
the Soviets of violating the Limited Test Ban Treaty.  It is too easy to detect
such violations.  For example several years ago you may remember when a cloud
of radioactive fallout wafted across the US from an atmospheric test in China.
There was also a suspicious test off Africa which South Africa is believed to
have conducted. Atmospheric testing is both dangerous because it spreads
radioisotopes throughout the planet and easily detectable for that reason.
The Threshold Test Ban Treaty does not call for seismological stations in
the USSR.  However geologists in an article in Science magazine argued
that they could detect gross violations of the 150 kiloton limit with
current seismology.  They also argued that there was no hard evidence that
the Soviets had violated the 150 kiloton limit.  
As for onsite inspections, the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty (yet ANOTHER
treaty RR and cronies have refused to send for ratification) calls for
4 onsite inspections a year.
Please try to be clear about which treaties are which.
PEACE, before its too late.......
     tim sevener whuxl!orb