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From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER)
Newsgroups: net.politics
Subject: Soviets to Blame as well
Message-ID: <341@whuxl.UUCP>
Date: Mon, 12-Nov-84 12:13:36 EST
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Posted: Mon Nov 12 12:13:36 1984
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> 
> SEVENER keeps talking about stopping the arms race.  Well he's telling
> the wrong people.  Why dont you mail a letter to the Kremlin?
> Ask them to stop development of their new SS-X-24 and SS-X-25.
> And ask them to please stop making so many SS-20's as well.
> And while you are speaking to them, you might ask them to not
> produce the new Blackjack Bomber as well.  All this going on, and the
> bozo's in congress are balking about B-1, MX and D-5!  Its the height
> of lunacy to say we wont build any MX's unless the Soviets come back
> to the table!  If I were a Russian General, I'd stop any talks I had
> planned.  Shoot, why look at a gift-horse in the mouth?  Its 
> people who use SEVENER's type of logic that make policy like this,
> and end up hurting real arms-control.  
> 					Milo

The Nuclear Freeze calls on BOTH sides to stop the arms race and so do I.
I have no intention of supporting one side or the other stopping the arms
race while the other side, or other countries continue.
GreenPeace released balloons in Moscow calling on the Soviet Union to stop
all nuclear testing.  Peace groups in Czechoslovakia sent a spate of letters
to Rude Pravo asking the Czech gov't NOT to support the deployment of any more
SS-20's or other nuclear weapons in their country. Their argument was that
simply stationing more missiles in response to US cruise missiles would not
be a move towards Peace or help supporters of Peace in the West.
Now it is the obligation of Peace groups in the West to try to get the West
to stop to help those supportive of Peace in the East.
I find it hard to believe that refusing to ratify treaties that took years to
negotiate and planning on violating SALT II , which is the major agreement 
limiting both sides are supportive of "real arms control".
Wars are always justified by the fingerpointing of both sides, escalation
leads to escalation and soon the conflagration begins.  Meanwhile those urging
Peace for both sides are always castigated for being "weak" or failing to see
the obvious transgressions of the other side.  Thus the best ally of the
US military is the Soviet military and vice versa.
I am opposed to BOTH military establishments and their arms buildups.
tim sevener whuxl!orb