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From: afo@pucc-h (Flidais )
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Subject: Replies to Ken (morality and religion)
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Date: Sun, 21-Oct-84 17:11:09 EDT
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Posted: Sun Oct 21 17:11:09 1984
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(have you considered becoming a Lhasa Tiger for a career?)

Now there you go again, Ken....

After you stated that my friend was right in saying that even though I had 
a strong set of morals, I would burn in hell if I didn't accept jesus christ 
as my saviour; I wondered  'now, how would he react if I had said that she
told me that I was worshipping a false messiah, and if I didn't accept 
Mohammed as the one true prophet of islam, I would most certainly burn in an
infidel's hell'.  All of a sudden, it becomes different, if it isn't 
your brand of religion someone is spouting...


Now, to the idea that I was born to rebelliousness.  I thought the Catholic
(as opposed to catholic) church had the patent on original sin.  My mistake.
At least we've gotten rid of the concept of limbo.  now god decides whether 
you have been searching for him/her/it/them, and probably whether you have
been searching hard enough... more bizarre criterion....


Now to the 'fast-food  save-the-masses' as provided by the graduating seniors
(anyone want to guess which church I'm talking about?  hint:  it is in the 
Chicago area).	Most of those people had no higher brain functions left by the
time they were to graduate from high school.  If you tried to engage them in
any debate in theological issues (since 85% of the town is Catholic, the 
people there really didn't apprciate Baptists trying to convert their 
children at the tennis courts), their only response was quoting non-related
items out of the bible (new testment only...), and when you beat down their
arguments on that, they just resorted to calling you a demon or such, and
letting you know that you were gonna get yours.  Nothing like being told that
the nuns at one's grade school (I was never a member of the Catholic church
BTW, it was mostly guilt by association) were messing with the priests and 
brothers, to make you really want to like these people...


So, you say that man shouldn't make the standards, because once you have 
accepted *the lord* into your life, god will show you what standards to 
follow?  Gee, some (heck most) of the people I have met who have been 
'saved' have been some of the most spiteful, nasty, back-stabbing ... well
you get the idea...Come on now... tell me about those lovely people who
spout the gospel at one instance and then give you a bad work review because
you refused to go to Wednesday bible meetings before work (a non-sectarian
company, and it didn't happen to me, but happened to a friend of mine).
A president of a company, while getting on the cases of those who are (gasp)
'living in sin' bellowing out in a meeting that 'We should have taken care
of those damn jews when we had a chance' (he didn't like the foreign
competition).


These are examples of people acting nicer *after* they have accepted 
*the lord*.  I wouldn't have wanted to meet them before they did....


You know, Ken (and others) every year during Holy Week in Spain, they have
massive groups of men called 'flagelantes'.  They put on hoods, and 
walk the streets during processionals, beating themselves with ropes and
chains, trying to make amends for all the sins they have committed in the
past year.  At the same time, groups of men are fighting down the street
over who has the best float.. Best of both worlds.....

Laurie Sefton
{harpo,ihnp4,allegra,decvax}!pur-ee!pucc-h!afo
"Lifemate! Friend of my body and my soul! I will be with you forever!"