Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site watdcsu.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!watdcsu!dmcanzi From: dmcanzi@watdcsu.UUCP (David Canzi [dcs]) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: A pridefull man's reaction to a Holy God. Message-ID: <543@watdcsu.UUCP> Date: Wed, 24-Oct-84 02:16:14 EDT Article-I.D.: watdcsu.543 Posted: Wed Oct 24 02:16:14 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 24-Oct-84 04:18:55 EDT References: <516@watdcsu.UUCP>, <246@qantel.UUCP> Organization: U of Waterloo, Ontario Lines: 74 Lines beginning with ">" are from Ken Nichols' response to my "KGA" article. > > 1) Morality is whatever God says it is, because he can effortlessly blow > > anyone who disagrees away. > > That's right. Now you have finally got the right idea. God sets the standards > not AT&T (or anyone else) (no offense to AT&T). Ie. Might makes right. At least you're honest about it. > > 2) We are all guilty of Adam's and Eve's rebelliousness. We are all guilty > > of crucifying Christ. If this doesn't make sense to you, see rule 1. > > We are all guilty of our own rebelliousness. Adam and Eve were merely the ones > that started the fad. Because of our sin of rebellion against God, Christ came > to die. In this, we had a small part in killing Him. You mentioned original sin briefly in your article. You also led me to believe that we have more than a "small part" of the guilt for the crucifiction with your remarks: Man deserves even worse for his blatent hatred and rebellion against God. Look what mankind did to Jesus Christ. And since you say that in God's sight we *all* deserve damnation, it must be for one of these two sins. (These are the only sins we *all* have in common. I'll have more to say about rebellion below.) Either way, we are all being held responsible for the actions of others over which we had no possible control, and we are subject to the worst possible punishment for it. You're unwittingly helping Tim Maroney make his point. It's clear that your God is arbitrary and cruel. > > 4) All mankind deserves eternal torment, not because of anything done > > wrong, but just because. See rule 1. > > All men are born in rebellion to God. This act is sin and deserving > of punishment. In order to rebel against some authority (eg. God), we need to know about the authority, know (or believe we know) what the authority wants, and then go ahead and do something else. Any knowledge about God or what he wants from us is beyond our understanding for the first year of our lives, and probably somewhat longer. To say that we are already rebelling against God on the day we are born is ridiculous. > > I think the title of my article describes Ken Nichols's method for getting to > > heaven. Below is my idea of the correct way to pray to Ken's god: > > I think the title to your article was quite disgusting, and I would greatly > appreciate it if you would not refer to my God in your disgusting manerisms, > thank you! That title makes me wince with embarrassment when I see it. I apologize for the unnecessary crudity. Some more polite word, such as "grovelling" would have been better. > > Oh, Lord, you are great and powerful; in your sight I am lower than a worm. > > You are wise and wonderful; I am but two-day-old maggot-infested dog shit to > > you. If I lick your mighty feet, will you mercifully refrain from turning me > > into carp food? If I kiss your holy ass will you resist the understandable > > urge to evaporate me on the spot? > > The last statement is a good example of a prideful man's response to God. > It's classic. Thank you! > You do not want to except the fact that there is a deity > over you that you will be accountable to, so you flame at it. No, I wasn't flaming at God, I was parodying some of the more ridiculous attitudes that you expressed in your article. Prideful and proud of it, David Canzi