Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site trwrba.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!bonnie!akgua!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrba!jnelson From: jnelson@trwrba.UUCP (John T. Nelson) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: A pridefull man's reaction to a Holy God? Message-ID: <1044@trwrba.UUCP> Date: Thu, 25-Oct-84 17:39:12 EST Article-I.D.: trwrba.1044 Posted: Thu Oct 25 17:39:12 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 28-Oct-84 07:42:15 EST Organization: TRW EDS, Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 124 Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: A pridefull man's reaction to a Holy God. References: <516@watdcsu.UUCP>, <246@qantel.UUCP> That's right. Now you have finally got the right idea. God sets the standards not AT&T (or anyone else) (no offense to AT&T). Omnipotence does NOT give ANYONE the right to go blowing people away... especially if that person (or deity in this case) advocates the sanctity of life. Satan is pretty damn powerfull too... and probably a lot more intellegent than you are.... does THAT give him the right to do anything he likes? No... Face facts.... God has reserved the right to do anything he likes, not because he deserves to, but because he wants to. 3) God gave us free will, but people caught actually using it are subject to eternal punishment. You must have a queer definition of free will. We have the free will to obey God or to rebel against Him. However, your eternal destiny depends on your choice. Talk about queer definitions of free will! In your conception, God is holding a gun to your head and saying, "OBEY ME OR DIE THE DEATH OF A THOUSAND TORMENTS!" This isn't a choice of free will... it's blackmail! Our eternal destinies are NOT dependent upon such concious choices. They are driven completely by the choice God makes... whether to condemn us or let us live. In your view, he has chosen to decimate the human population. All men are born in rebellion to God. This act is sin and deserving of punishment. Let's look at your words closely... "All men are born in rebellion to God." You mean that even the most innocent baby is a rebellious little snot who deserves countless lives of burning flames? I guess so since he has had no time to accept God and is clearly "deserving of death." Just how do you justify this? "This act is sin and deserving of punishment." WHAT ACT? The act of being born? Let's assume that God said, "ALL deserve to die... and I'm going to give Ken Nichols the gun that is going to kill all of you." Well? Would you obey the almighty God and kill every man women and child earmarked for extermination? Remember... he'll condemn you too, if you disobey him. What are you more concerned with? Obeying God or doing what is right? If you only wish to obey an all powerfull diety then you have proven yourself a slavish coward... unwilling to stand up for the truth because you only want to save your own skin from the torments of hell. And just what ARE you going to tell the mothers of the sons who are condemned? How do you intend to console them? How would you feel if God condemned your best friend, or your spouse? Only a monster would advocate putting people to death because of their supposed inability to fulfill a particular creed or belief. Yes you've convinced me... man desires nothing but death and I'm sure that God will give you you're fill! Because of our praising God, we see ourselves in the way God sees us. This however is not all bad after we have become saved. God can then see past the sin that Christ died for and commune with the man. Christians view themselves in the light of God's perfection, and in that light, strive (with His help) to become closer to that perfection (though we will never achieve it in this life). If we do become pridefull for some reason, God will not dump us. When we realize that our pride is a sin and confess it, He will forgive us and renew that close communion with us. This is such an over rationalization that it becomes nothing more than an excuse. I think the title to your article was quite disgusting, and I would greatly appreciate it if you would not refer to my God in your disgusting manerisms, thank you! I think the title of the article quite apropriate, and I would greatly appreciate it if you would not refer to my God in your disgusting ideas. Interesting that you have no qualms about attributing to God another disgusting mannerism.... that of gneocide. The first sentence is true to a point. Remember, God values the man, but not his sin. I stated that repeatedly in my article. The second sentence could not be farther from the truth (except that God IS wise and wonderfull). Man is not even worthy to see God's feet, let alone lick them. If God values the man and not the sin then he would dispose of the sin and not the man. For a wise and wonderfull God why does he have to throw out the baby with the bath-water? To fulfill some hateful need of man's I suspect. If God wants a true communion with man then he will have to get used to man looking at his feet. Communion is a two-way thing. In fact I'm sure he already knows your thoughts already... I wonder what he thinks of them. The last statement is a good example of a prideful man's response to God. It's classic. You do not want to except the fact that there is a deity over you that you will be accountable to, so you flame at it. Unless you turn from that stinking sinfull pride, you will remain lost for eternity! Pride has nothing to do with it. You can't accept the fact that your God might be wrong, so your knee-jerk reaction is to label any and all objections as "prideful man's" response. How neat and tidy. Your entire article is a classic example of a prideful christian taking great pleasure from the thought that the world will one day be purged of all forms of life not conforming to a particular belief. It's classic. You do not want to except the fact that maybe your deity really does not exist so you flame away at anyone who opposes it. Unless you turn from your stinking sinfull pride, you will remain lost for eternity! "...holding forth the Ken Nichols word of life..." Phil. 2:16 ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken Oh really?