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From: mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: morals, and the low correlation with religion
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Date: Sun, 28-Oct-84 21:37:41 EST
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Posted: Sun Oct 28 21:37:41 1984
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In article <1730@nsc.UUCP> chuqui@nsc.UUCP (Zonker T. Chuqui) writes:
[>> = me, > = Chuq]

>> I do agree with
>> the principle that no man is good enough to "deserve" salvation.  

> I disagree. Every person born deserves salvation. Whether or not they earn
> it is another matter. There is no free ride to salvation, and no other
> person or being can take your sins from you. You don't ride to heaven on
> others coatails...

I think we mean the same thing, in a way.  I should have said that no man
earns salvation by being good; obviously mankind in general is worth
salvation.  Why else would God have gone through all the trouble of being
crucified?

>>  And besides, who gave any man the right or ability to discern who is not
>>  going to inherit eternal life?

> The ONLY one who will be able to know if someone is going to heaven or
> not is that person themselves. If you can look over your entire life and
> honestly say to yourself and your God 'I am a good person' then you deserve
> it. Not 'I was a perfect person' or 'I always did right' or 'I went to
> church on Sundays' (with the VCR taping the Rams game, of course), but if,
> on balance, you did more good than harm. Nothing else really matters in the
> end.

I'll go along with this, except I must add the qualification that a lot of
people have blinded themselves to the evil they do, and therefore are no
judge of "how well they're doing."

Charley Wingate   umcp-cs!mangoe