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From: brunson@usfbobo.UUCP (David Brunson)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Toward a more correct religion
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Date: Sun, 28-Oct-84 04:13:20 EST
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Posted: Sun Oct 28 04:13:20 1984
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The only valid net.religion discussion appears to be stalled.  Let
me just go ahead and give my current understanding of correct religion
and invite comments.  First a little background info is necessary so
that subsequent statements aren't misinterpreted in the usual way.

With respect to God's covenants there are two kinds of people: Jews
and non-Jews (henceforth called "Goys").  All people are covered under
Noah's covenant (Gen. 9).  As with all covenant relationships, the
covenantees are required to keep certain commandments or mitzvot.  The
rabbis have deduced seven such mitzvot from Genesis 9 that are binding
upon all people.  Later on Abraham and his PHYSICAL descendants were singled
out for an extra covenant.  The relevant mitzvah was circumcision.
This covenant was ratified under Moshe and the duties of Israel's 
descendants were extended to the full 613 commandments which are binding
upon all Jews today.

So Goys have to keep seven and Jews 613.  This is Torah.  It cannot be
abrogated until heaven and earth pass away and if certain Yahoos come
along saying otherwise, then they can be safely ignored.  Then correct
religion MUST involve the keeping of the commandments.  No ifs, ands,
or buts!!  And if you think the N'tzarim writings say otherwise, even
in their possibly corrupted present form, then you are misreading them.

Now consider the following snatch of dialogue between David Brunson, Goy
Extraordinaire, and Shlomo Sowolowsky (sp?), Lubavitcher Rabbi:

DB: "... then if a Jew consults a rabbi to learn how to keep the 613
	commandments, is it also valid for a Goy to consult a rabbi
	to learn how to keep the seven?"

SS: "Of course!  Who else would know?"

A valid form of religious expression for the goyim, then, would involve
hanging around a synagogue to learn the mitzvot according to those "who
sit in Moshe's seat".  This is true regardless of what you think the
redactors did or didn't do to the N'tzarim writings, and especially
true since the translations of the relevant sayings of Y'shua (Matt. 5:17-20
and Matt. 23:2,3) aren't being disputed.

Does anyone see any problems with this so far?

--
David Brunson

"Which of you convicts me of sin?"