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Subject: Re: Arghh.
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Date: Mon, 29-Oct-84 16:23:53 EST
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> Clayton Elwell:
> > Jesus was who He said He was, God's son. ... Jesus Christ is deity.

> Read your Bible again.  Jesus never, NEVER, referred to himself as God,
> or even as the Messiah.  The phrase "Son of Man", which he did use, was
> a phrase in common usage at the time meaning simply "righteous man" or
> "pilgrim".  Jesus did not ask his people to worship him, but God the
> Father, the Jewish YHWH.

Permit to enlighten (all from New American Standard Bible):

John 4:25-26 The woman said to Him, "I know that Messiah is coming (He
who is called Christ); when that One comes, He will declare all things
to us. Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He."

John 5:17-18 But [Jesus] answered them, "MY Father is working until now,
and I myself am working." For this cause therefore the Jews were seeking
all the more to kill him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath,
but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God."
(same idea in John 10:30-33)

John 8:58-59 Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before
Abraham was born, I AM." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at
Him... [not just claiming to be God, but the God who appeared to Moses
in the burning bush, cf. Exodus 3:14]

John 11:4 But when Jesus heard it, He said, "This sickness is not unto
death, but for the glory of God, that the Son of God may be glorified by
it."

John 17:3 "And this is eternal life, that they may know Thee, the only
true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent."

Also Matt 9:2-6 (== Mark 2:5-10, Luke 5:20-24), Jesus claimed the power
to forgive sins, which the Jews knew belonged to God alone, and
demonstrated by healing the paralytic. And in John 20, Jesus accepted
Thomas's worship - something both Peter (Acts 10) and an angel (in
Revelation) refused.
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