Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site trwrba.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcrdcf!trwrba!jnelson From: jnelson@trwrba.UUCP (John T. Nelson) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: A pridefull man's reaction to a Holy God. Message-ID: <1071@trwrba.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Oct-84 18:10:29 EST Article-I.D.: trwrba.1071 Posted: Tue Oct 30 18:10:29 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 1-Nov-84 02:52:13 EST References: <516@watdcsu.UUCP>, <246@qantel.UUCP> <543@watdcsu.UUCP>, <263@qantel.UUCP> Organization: TRW EDS, Redondo Beach, CA Lines: 64 O.K., don't beleive in the theology of original sin for the moment. Everyone is guilty, and all are condemned. But Jesus Christ took the punishment of God for us. All we have to do is accept the fact that He did so, and desire to live for Him because of it. You're saying that the few hours Christ suffered on the cross was enough to atone for the sins of ALL mankind? For someone who believes in eons of eternal torment for millions upon millions of sinners, it didn't strike you as a hedge of any kind? This sort of rational is FAR too neurotic for a truly holy god. You're living in an Old Testiment theology that says for every sin there must be a sacrificial shedding of blood. Why would a Holy God sacrifice his own son ... in the same many that the priests of Baal did? Remember Abraham's objections when God wanted him to sacrifice HIS only son? You don't think that these objections were valid? I think they're quite valid still. I wonder if Abraham will be condemned for HIS rebellious attitude towards God? Man is born with an inward knowledge of God. His attributes are displayed throughout nature. Man's or God's? I am offering more than just a snide play on words here. How does one discern the difference between intelligence and non-intelligence? How do you tell the difference between a natural or diety-created artifact? The real danger here is that of injecting your own ideas and beliefs into what should be an objective observation. Whose intelligence is really being reflected here? Man's or God's? In short... which end of the telescope is the intelligence on Mr. Lowell? Though a man can see this, He will over the course of his life, find ways to explain away the evidences and knowledge of God that he once possesed... Far too neat and tidy... like the shrinks who try to catigorize people into nice little bins and then go on to classify all of their neurosis as the causal result of this or that fixation. WHY should EVERY man EVER born want to turn away from God if they had even the slightest glimmer of knowledge about him? Pride? No... it's far too easy an answer. And it doesn't even hold water. Although this may be wishfull thinking. The light at the end of the tunnel. Men instinctivly.... Instinct? Instilled by God? But the first part of my sentence is true. You do now want to accept the fact that there is a deity that you will be accountable to. You have so much pride in yourself, that you will not allow yourself to be helped out of your sad condition by the only person that can help you, Jesus Christ. You will not know God until you deny that silly pride. But the first part of my analysis is true. You do now want to accept the fact that there are no pink elephants. You have so much pride in youself, that you will not allow yourself to be helped out of your sad condition by the only person in Vienna that can help you, Sigmund Freud. You will not know mental health until you deny that silly fixation of yours.