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From: bill@utastro.UUCP (William H. Jefferys)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: Arghh.
Message-ID: <714@utastro.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 30-Oct-84 10:04:43 EST
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Posted: Tue Oct 30 10:04:43 1984
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>In article <716@osu-dbs.UUCP> elwell@osu-dbs.UUCP (Clayton) writes:
>
>[>>= Ken Nichols (whom I never thought I'd be defending!)]
>
>>> Jesus was who He said He was, God's son. ... Jesus Christ is deity.
>
>>Read your Bible again.  Jesus never, NEVER, referred to himself as God,
>>or even as the Messiah.
>
>Good Grief!!!!!  Don't you people ever READ your gospel?  I John, Jesus says
>"He who has seen me has seen the Father."  How can that not be a claim to
>divinity?  And in front of the Sanhedrin (I'm not sure whether in John or
>Matthew), when they ask him if he is the son of God, he says, "I am."
>
>Charley Wingate

Charley is correct, of course, about what I John says.  However, I
don't think that it can be relied upon to the same degree that the
synoptic gospels can as a source of Jesus' actual words, particularly
in view of the fact that John was written, among other things, to "prove"
the divinity of Jesus.  When someone has an axe to grind, as John did,
one is entitled to view what he says with skepticism.
-- 
"When evolution is outlawed, only outlaws will evolve"
	Bill Jefferys  8-%
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