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From: yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Christians still rewriting history to conform to their whims
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Date: Sat, 3-Nov-84 21:17:45 EST
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Posted: Sat Nov  3 21:17:45 1984
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The following is more appropriate to the net than to private mail
and I am accordingly posting it to allow the net to see some of the
examples of things they might otherwise not see. The following is
from Larry Bickford. (My 2 comments enclosed in asterisks. The 
lines preceded by chevrons are Larry's quotes of one of my previous
articles.) Those who want to be smug, arrogant, etc. in mail to me
can expect to see their mail on the net. If you can defend it fine,
we'll all learn. If not, keep it (or be inquiring rather than pre-
suming to tell me. I'm happy to respond to sincere inquiries in the
same vein they are sent.)

From decvax!decwrl!qubix!lab Sat Nov  3 00:59:21 1984
Subject: Re: Christianity and its Relationship to... specifically Judaism

> All of modern Christianity sprang from the early Roman Catholic
> church and the church fathers mentioned by such writers as Eusebius.

Wrong. There was a significant underground movement during the days of
the Holy Roman Empire. Many protested against the Roman Church's
teachings (led by Luther) and thus were known as Protestants. Some,
however, were never part of the Roman Church (e.g., the Waldensians).
The Baptists, among others, find their heritage there.

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Martin Luther lived 1483-1546. That about sums up your credibility.
Prior to that, where did all of you sprout from... including the
Waldensians (1170-1184)...the Roman Catholic Church just like I said. 
The Christian perceptions of history never cease to astound me. The
comments go downhill from there.
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> And the basis of this Christianity is documented as
> being based upon the premises that the CHURCH is the TRUE
> ISRAEL and CHRISTIANS are the TRUE JEWS.

I haven't noticed this in Roman teachings, but more in that part of the
Reformed movement called "Covenant Theology." The Presbyterians usually
fall into this group.

> 2) 'One question we must ask, therefore, is whether or not
> other religions can be harmonized with Christianity.'

> Ask not whether other religions can be harmonized with
> Christianity, ask rather whether Christianity can be
> harmonized with other religions.

Inasmuch as Jesus said "I am *the* way, *the* truth, and *the* life; no
man comes to the Father *but by me*," I would find it difficult to
harmonize Christianity with other religions.

Perhaps you need a Christian to explain Christianity to you. :-)

Larry Bickford, {amd,sun,decwrl,idi,ittvax,cbosgd}!qubix!lab

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It certainly seems that I know more about Christianity than some of
you???  And I believe in Judaism for good reason. It becomes clear
that many Christians believe in Christianity because they don't
know the facts of history, and even the origins and facts of their
own religion. Certainly I don't find Christians qualified to ex-
plain such faulty drivel to me.
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