Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site bbncca.ARPA Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!bbncca!sdyer From: sdyer@bbncca.ARPA (Steve Dyer) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.motss Subject: Re: More "Gay Rights" Message-ID: <1112@bbncca.ARPA> Date: Tue, 6-Nov-84 18:32:16 EST Article-I.D.: bbncca.1112 Posted: Tue Nov 6 18:32:16 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 8-Nov-84 01:25:14 EST References: <211@usfbobo.UUCP> Organization: Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Cambridge, Ma. Lines: 18 It's important to get one point clear: the issue of "choice" surrounding one's identification as a gay person is IRRELEVANT to any discussion of its ethics or morality. Something objectively considered "bad" simply does not become "good" because the agent exercises no free will. I fear that those who would make a case for the "But-I-was-born-this-way" argument are unwittingly using the same arguments as Brunson and his kind: weak arguments which presuppose that being gay is inherently bad. To argue from that point is to concede the discussion from the beginning. The existential state of having a sexual preference for others of the same sex is morally and ethically neutral. "Choice" has nothing whatsoever to say about it. There are gay people who have been involved in heterosexual relationships, but who have "chosen" their gay relationships and there are others who have always limited their relationships to the same sex. Is one group "better" than another? Of course not! -- /Steve Dyer {decvax,linus,ima,ihnp4}!bbncca!sdyer sdyer@bbncca.ARPA