Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site umcp-cs.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!umcp-cs!mangoe From: mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate) Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Bill Jefferys on the writing of the gospels Message-ID: <867@umcp-cs.UUCP> Date: Thu, 8-Nov-84 21:08:49 EST Article-I.D.: umcp-cs.867 Posted: Thu Nov 8 21:08:49 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 10-Nov-84 05:37:15 EST References: <716@osu-dbs.UUCP> <516@umcp-cs.UUCP> <714@utastro.UUCP> <243@pyuxd.UUCP> Reply-To: mangoe@maryland.UUCP (Charley Wingate) Organization: U of Maryland, Computer Science Dept., College Park, MD Lines: 23 In article <243@pyuxd.UUCP> rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) writes: >I just thought that this piece merited reiteration. It was my understanding >that many Christian scholars do believe that if Jesus existed he may not have >made his own claims to divinity, that those claims were made by those who >followed in an effort to promote the religion that had formulated. With this >in mind, is it reasonable to consider any of these accounts as infallible >evidence? (I know: it's not, but you do anyway... ) There is no infallible evidence. [There, got that out of my system.] As to the speculation that Jesus did not ever make any claims to divinity; this is an old and hotly disputed question. On the one hand, in much of the Gospels he appears to back away from such a claim. On the other, there are too many places where the claim is quite obvious and explicit. The evidence ends there; speculations such as "as a first century jew, he would never have thought of such a thing" are just that. The gospels are all that we have, and taken on face value, they do contain claims to divinity. Charley Wingate umcp-cs!mangoe Ubi caritas et amor, deus ibi est.