Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site usfbobo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!harvard!godot!mit-eddie!genrad!decvax!mcnc!duke!ucf-cs!usfbobo!brunson From: brunson@usfbobo.UUCP (David Brunson) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.motss Subject: re: "Gay Rights" Message-ID: <214@usfbobo.UUCP> Date: Thu, 8-Nov-84 21:56:20 EST Article-I.D.: usfbobo.214 Posted: Thu Nov 8 21:56:20 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 10-Nov-84 06:48:41 EST Organization: Univ. of South Florida, Tampa Lines: 42 Xref: godot net.religion:2230 net.motss:870 [] >As if we needed MORE evidence that Brunson was Ken Arndt in disguise. It >seems, to Mr. Brunson, that one needs to "prove" one's "legitimacy" as a >human being before one is to be "accepted" (by whom?). Blacks and other >minorities have worked hard and long to do this, and this validates them >(their hands have been stamped, apparently) as real human beings in Brunson's >eyes. This bears no relationship whatsoever to anything I have said. > But because of preconceptions that Brunson has, apparently no amount >of effort would validate homosexuals in his eyes. For the N+1th time, the >goal of social progress is NOT to validate groups of people on a case by case >basis (which is what has been REQUIRED over the years) but rather to seek the >ultimate goal that EVERYONE is entitled to equivalent treatment and rights as >human beings. For the N+2nd time: There are two parties involved in the proposed civil suit. One is a homosexual, the other is a Bible-believing citizen who adamantly refuses to recognize the "rights" of the homosexual. The Bible- believing citizen will refuse to accept your arguments concerning tolerance. In his mind homosexuals are, in a sense, criminals. That is, people who have forfeited their rights by their objectionable behavior. (You are aware that thieves, for example, forfeit their rights? Or should they not be "discriminated" against either?). You will not persuade the Bible believer to change his mind. He WILL NOT HIRE the homosexual. That's all there is to it. Arguments concerning the rightness or wrongness of his position are now irrelevant. The only question is this: who should win the suit? Who should be vindicated and who should be condemned. There is no *nice-guy* way to handle the problem. There is no "Oh come now, let's be reasonable about this" approach left. The homosexual refuses to change and the Bible- believer refuses to change. All other considerations are now IRRELEVANT. DO YOU UNDERSTAND?????!!!??? For the N+2nd time: who should win the suit *AND WHY*? -- David Brunson, making the net a more *decent* place to raise a family