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From: mangoe@umcp-cs.UUCP (Charley Wingate)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: Remove shoe, exchange feet, place shoe on other foot
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Date: Sat, 10-Nov-84 00:07:34 EST
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Posted: Sat Nov 10 00:07:34 1984
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In article <1698@ucf-cs.UUCP> yiri@ucf-cs.UUCP (Yirmiyahu BenDavid) writes:

>It has previously been shown that the modern versions of the
>NT are not true to the early N'tzarim Jewish teachings, practices or
>perceptions.
>
>It has previously been shown that Christianity has introduced
>false and fraudulent redactions and interpretations in an increasingly
>antinomian and antisemitic flavored evolution.

I see no need to repeat my arguments on these points.  However, the
following points deserve a rebuttal because Yiri hasn't recycled these 
threadbare arguments within the last couple of months.

>It is clear that Christianity has changed Shabbat to
>Sun-god-day,

We do not claim that Sunday as Shabbat.

>Passover to Esotera's festival,

A classic case of misused etymology.  In fact, only in English, among
European languages, has two different wrods to distiguish Easter from
Passover.  Latin and Greek, the only languages relevant to your claims,
have the same word for both. As for the calendar, I see no reason why our feasts need be ruled by a calendar which does not mention them.

>instituted idol worship in
>the saints and mariolatry,

If you knew anything about protestantism, you will know that these practices 
were repudiated 500 years ago.

>adopted St. Valentine's Day, St. Patrick's
>Day, All Saint's Day (Halloween), etc. in substitution for Jewish
>festivals,

What Jewish festivals?  I work for an Orthodox Jew, and *I* don't get these
days off!!

>forcibly adopted the eating of swine and the rejection of the
>validity of Torah while substituting their own laws/criteria for
>'righteousness' and 'holiness', and similar instances of supplanting
>the Torah of the God of Avraham, Yitzkhak and Yakov with their own laws,
>rituals, practices and doctrines having no connection to the N'tzarim
>Jews of the 1st century CE.

Since I'm going to have to give up on this soon, I don't have time to respond
at length to this.  Those who have read the Acts of the Apostles should
find the true christian position clearly explained there.

>It is widely known and accepted that Jesus Christ is the champion of
>this Christianity and it is widely accepted that Y'shua is the 
>historical Jew of the N'tzarim writings.

Since Jesus and Y'shua are merely different names for the same person,
a claim on one is a claim upon the other.

Charley Wingate    umcp-cs!mangoe