Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: Notesfiles $Revision: 1.6.2.17 $; site uokvax.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!tektronix!uw-beaver!cornell!vax135!houxm!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!uiucdcs!uokvax!emjej From: emjej@uokvax.UUCP Newsgroups: net.religion Subject: Re: Re: Science as Religion (other objec Message-ID: <8300063@uokvax.UUCP> Date: Thu, 8-Nov-84 10:09:00 EST Article-I.D.: uokvax.8300063 Posted: Thu Nov 8 10:09:00 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 11-Nov-84 20:58:11 EST References: <704@umcp-cs.UUCP> Lines: 28 Nf-ID: #R:umcp-cs:-70400:uokvax:8300063:000:1532 Nf-From: uokvax!emjej Nov 8 09:09:00 1984 /***** uokvax:net.religion / umcp-cs!mangoe / 8:26 pm Nov 6, 1984 */ There simply cannot be objective data for an event which took place 2000 years ago and left no particular physical evidence; neither can there be evidence against it, other than the presupposition that it could not have happened. Therefore, by Rich's logic, we should draw no conclusion; instead, he chooses to reject the event. I cannot see this as objectivity; it is out and out subjective evaluation of the data. /* ---------- */ Pliny reported all sorts of marvelous creatures. Do you have the same position on their existence that you do on the veracity of the Bible? Similarly, Aristotle reported that women have fewer teeth than men. In the absence of reports to the contrary, should we give any credence to the possibility that women have come to have more teeth than they did in the time of Aristotle? Based on the lack of physical evidence, and the observed current and past tendencies of people to believe practically anything, I simply estimate the likelihood of the truth of Christianity as being on the same order as that of the validity of Uri Geller's claims, and hence not worth worrying about, save as it influences other people's behavior (and hence might get me burned at the stake :->), not to mention being the source of some very good art and music. (One can't say the latter about ESP proponents, admittedly.) This is not to say that the sort of discussion one finds in net.religion* isn't interesting at times. James Jones