Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!genrad!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!wjh12!foxvax1!brunix!browngr!dk From: dk@browngr.UUCP (David Kantrowitz) Newsgroups: net.religion.jewish Subject: Re: Ignoring the "voices of Heaven" Message-ID: <1505@browngr.UUCP> Date: Tue, 30-Oct-84 18:42:20 EST Article-I.D.: browngr.1505 Posted: Tue Oct 30 18:42:20 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 2-Nov-84 05:22:08 EST References: eosp1.1191, <1450@browngr.UUCP> Lines: 17 > ... Therefore even if a person can claim "may this river reverse its course > if I am right!", it is still better for a group to base its decision on > rational argument. Let me throw a hammer into the works: The principal of not believing miracles derives from the Torah, which we accept as authoritative because it was God-given. This we believe because of the miracles associated with the Torah's arrival. So rational argument alone seems as if it will get you nothing in the end, because you start with nothing. Comments? Corollary: Would those people who insist on proving everything with rational objective arguments, and refuse to take anything on faith, be even slightly convinced by a large miracle?