Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site druri.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!hogpc!houxe!drutx!druri!isiw From: isiw@druri.UUCP Newsgroups: net.sf-lovers Subject: Re: Yes, *H*A*R*L*A*N* *E*L*L*I*S*O*N* Message-ID: <984@druri.UUCP> Date: Fri, 2-Nov-84 10:58:21 EST Article-I.D.: druri.984 Posted: Fri Nov 2 10:58:21 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 3-Nov-84 06:47:55 EST References: <4049@decwrl.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Information Systems Laboratories, Denver Lines: 35 Well, I for one agree with the previous. If I read one more Harlan-Ellison- I'm-SO-depressed-and-nobody-likes-me-so-I'm-going-to-blow-up-the-whole-world story, I'm going to be ill. The guy has *no* understanding of the word "subtlety". His idea of compassion is maudlin sentimentality and shameless pandering to the popular swings of fandom. And all this "Final Dangerous Visions" crap - so he's got a writer's block, eh? On an *anthology*? Give me a break! He's a hack, just like all the others, it's just that he's a young hack who made it early enough so nobody wants to call him a hack, and now all the sf types who try to hold up an example of science fiction's literary legitimacy use *Harlan Ellison* as their shining example and give everyone who reads serious novels a good laugh. What a joke - the guy's been living in Hollywood too long, he finally believes all the nice things everybody says about him because they wouldn't know great writing if it came up and bit 'em. But at least he's got company - John Varley, George R. Martin, Barry B. Longyear, Anne McCaffrey (oh, those dragons are just *so* cute!). Mean- while, mainstream fiction has Martin Cruz Smith, Mark Halprin, geez - even Rosemary Rogers writes better than they do! Wake up! Neat ideas and far-off worlds and fantastic expostions don't make up for bad characterization, weak plots, and no character development, no matter *how* many tribbles you strew around. If it wasn't for Gene Wolfe and Orson Scott Card holding up a mirror to the rest of their peers, the level would be even worse than it was in the alleged "Golden Age". These two are all that stands between sf and mediocre garbage, though you might include the new-improved Robert Silverberg if you were being charitable. Davis Tucker AT&T Information Systems Denver, CO P.S. - Stephen R. Donaldson is a hack, too.