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From: gary@rochester.UUCP (Gary Cottrell)
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Subject: Re: Re: Backlash to Feminism
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Date: Tue, 6-Nov-84 19:51:59 EST
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Posted: Tue Nov  6 19:51:59 1984
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> []
> > >>>...(reply)...
> > >>>Sherry Mann
> > >>...(reply to Sherry Mann)...
> > >>Ken Hollis
> > >Every social movement has had its growing pains...
> > >a lot of anti-male propaganda going on, but it has hardly led to any real
> > >violence against men,and has even been used to justify violence by men against
> > >women, so who is hating who here?
> > 
> > Well, personally I remember little of any bombing of feminist headquarters by
> > extremist male groups (:->), but seriously, there is very little that women
> > can do to males.  There is pretty well full intergration of both males and
> > Ken Hollis
> 
> :Come on, man! There have been *many* attacks on abortion clinics (including
> :bombings), and the number of such attacks is increasing at an alarming rate. 
> :The Reagan Justice Department has so far refused to do anything about it, 
> :claiming it is not a violation of anyone's civil rights. Baloney! These are
> :attacks on women's right to control their own bodies. "If men could have
> :children, abortion would be a sacrament."
> 
> :And there has been no official recognition of the problem of wife abuse. It
> :is mostly grass roots organizations that establish "safe houses" for abused
> :women and their families. Violence against women is "acceptable" in this
> :society (especially if it's is against one's "own" woman).  Violence against 
> :*property* (not your own), on the other hand, is strictly forbidden.
> 
> :"Forget it, Hugh, it's a Republican administration."
> 
> :gary cottrell	(allegra or seismo)!rochester!gary  (UUCP)
> :		gary@rochester (ARPA)
> 
> 
> I almost was ready to refuse to respond to the stupidity of this 'reply', but
> thought on second hand it might be better not to let it pass.  It is  v e r y
> clear that you oppose the Reagan administration, and that is where your
> idiotic comments seem to stem from.  I doubt seriously if Reagan is holding
> back the arms of the justice department, and even so, it would be unfair to
> classify all men as being under the control of this administration, or if
> that is true, what would you classify yourself? (Definitely *NOT* a man,
> asexual perhaps? (;->))...
Well, sometimes I think of myself as a third sex. Yes, I am opposed to the
Reagan administration. His actions support my contention that the US should 
get out of North America... His administration has done more to damage the
progress women have made in the last 20 years than I could have imagined
possible when he came into office. Documentation on request.
> I personally am for 'free choice', as many males and females are, and do not
> consider this to be a point upon which the gender makes the difference.  If
> you had had the intelligence to get the gist of my argument, I was saying that
> men 'as a group' had not bombed feminist headquarters.  I know about violence
> against women, and I do not find ANY violence against ANYONE acceptable,
Sorry, I'm not very intelagent.
> against children, dogs, cats, etc.  There has been SOME recognition at local
 I personally like to torture cats...Aluminum foil wrapped around their paws
with rubber bands is great fun.
> levels of wife abuse, and with all the media attention, it is growing.  I for
> one do not expect *any* problem to be solved overnight, and I sincerely hope
> that you have some slight vestige of your mind left to realize this.
Sorry, I've been doing drugs since 1969.
> 
> As a friend of mine would say, "It really doesn't matter"...It looks like
> Reagan is going to be in for the next four years anyway, but that belongs on
> net.politics.
> 
> Ken Hollis
Well, it's up to those of us who do have a somewhat higher political 
consciousness than this 80's person (obviously a member of the "me first"
generation) to not let people believe all of Reagan's lies for the next four 
years.

gary cottrell	(allegra or seismo)!rochester!gary  (UUCP)
		gary@rochester (ARPA)