Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site stolaf.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!ihnp4!stolaf!densinge From: densinge@stolaf.UUCP (Charles W. Densinger) Newsgroups: net.women Subject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Rape and Violence Message-ID: <2090@stolaf.UUCP> Date: Mon, 5-Nov-84 14:41:39 EST Article-I.D.: stolaf.2090 Posted: Mon Nov 5 14:41:39 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 6-Nov-84 05:21:17 EST Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield MN Lines: 36 Response to Lauri Rohn and others: I agree with you that rape is an issue of *control*. In fact, many feminists argue that rape is not a behavior which is considered to be `abnormal' in our culture, but is the prototypical relationship--at least traditionally--between men and women; i.e., men have all the control financially and politically and this control is exercised through sex; women are supposed to provide their husbands with sex whenever they want it and on their (the husband's) terms, etc. It is also, they argue, why our legal system is reticent to punishing rapists. I dont't wholly agree with this analysis, but there is, I think, a grain of truth to it. I must emphasize that in the article I posted, I did not mean to suggest that sex is the motivator for violence. Neither do I believe that violence for violence's sake is a real phenomenon. I believe that violence is aberration in human behavior, not a part of healthy human functioning. Why would someone rape to feel powerful, or in control? I ask this question because I believe that power, like violence, is not something that humans want merely for its own sake. I believe that any person who seeks *coercive* power, power which usurps another's sovereignty, does so out of fear (primarily--perhaps also out of emotional need, which probably cannot exist in extreme without fear.) This is what I meant--albeit, I was not very clear in saying it--when I suggested that one rapes not out of sexual desire itself, not merely for the sake of violence, but out of profound distress. To Lauri and others, please read with care. I think all but one of the responses I've seen to the articles I've posted commented on issues I'd dealt with in the article itself. I think people often want to argue and criticise merely for the sake of arguing and criticizing. (Or is there a deeper motivation...?) -Chuck Densinger @ St. Olaf {decvax|ihnp4}!stolaf!densinge