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From: kjm@ut-ngp.UUCP (Ken Montgomery)
Newsgroups: net.abortion
Subject: Re: Abortion and Capital Punishment
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Date: Sun, 18-Nov-84 15:13:48 EST
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Posted: Sun Nov 18 15:13:48 1984
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>[Ken Nichols responding to klipper!biep]
>Is this supposed to be a sick joke or what?  Either this is an example of how
>ridiculous abortion is or this man wishes to be flamed to death.

Or maybe it's an example of a logical argument.  Mr. Nichols, judging from
what I've read on net.religion, finds logical arguments utterly alien and
incomprehensible.

>I have never heard such a evil thing on this network before.

"Evil" by what standard?

>  I can't believe
>people really think like this.

Too bad.  Some people still can't believe the earth is round, either.

> I hope no one else out there has this demented
>view of children, whether you are pro-abortion or not.

I don't see why children are entitled to any special considerations which
wouldn't be given to adults.  What's so special about children?

> Does this man propose
>that we set ourselves up higher than any other authority

There is no higher authority.  We're it.

> and kill children 
>because they can't take care of themselves?

On the other hand, do you believe that we are obligated to take care
of them?  If so, why?

> I just can't believe anyone could
>say such a thing!

Why not?  Obviously, you belived it enough to respond to it...

>Since you know that I'm very conservative, you must have guessed I am anti-
>abortion.  I believe that since all life comes from God, and that a fetus is 
>alive, you are killing a creation of God when you have an abortion done.

What god?  What is the relevance of a mythical being to the question
of abortion?

> Only
>God has the right to take away any life that He gave.  

Do you eat?  Do you believe that you have the right to take the lives
of the plants and/or animals that comprise your food?  (Or have you
perfected synthetic food technology and not told anyone else? :-))

>I suppose that as time goes on, more and more liberals will view children as
>a burden and wish to get rid of them at older and older ages.

I suppose as time goes on that conservatives will view humans less and less
as people and more and more as baby factories and baby-factory support units.
(0.5 :-))

>"Oh my, he cries to much.  Let's kill him and get another."  Is this what I
>will hear parents saying in the future?

Who are you to force parents to raise a particular child?  I can see you
stopping them from killing the child, assuming it has the potential to
live without *any* special support from its parents, including the use
of its mother's uterus.  But (correct me if I'm wrong) I get the impression
that you think that the parents have some sort of duty to raise the child.
Why is this so?

> How disgusting!

Why is your disgust relevant to the issue at hand?

>This man says removing a child from the womb is a form of rejection.  I say
>it is a form of murder, and the worst kind.

Do you have any sort of evidence for your position?  Or do you think law
should be founded on a logical vacuum?

>--
> Ken Nichols
> ...!ucbvax!dual!qantel!ken

BTW, if you want to dispute religion per se (as opposed to its involvement
in abortion law) let's do it by mail.

--
"Shredder-of-hapless-smurfs"
Ken Montgomery
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