Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site stolaf.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!stolaf!twiss From: twiss@stolaf.UUCP (Thomas S. Twiss) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: re: when does life begin Message-ID: <2153@stolaf.UUCP> Date: Tue, 13-Nov-84 15:30:26 EST Article-I.D.: stolaf.2153 Posted: Tue Nov 13 15:30:26 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 22-Nov-84 07:37:16 EST Organization: St. Olaf College, Northfield MN Lines: 39 This is a classic problem in the abortion debate. It seems ridiculous to me to try and say that human life begins at the moment of conception. I am unable (in my mind) to extend citizenship and rights to two cells. I would rather say that such an entity is POTENTIAL life, i.e. it has the potential of developing into a human being, but it is not yet an autonomous, independent, relatively self sufficient creature. But if we say that destroying potential life is illegal, then all other forms of potential life must fall under these rubricks. IUD's (as discussed earlier) prevent potential life, other birth control forms do the same, male masturbation wastes thousands of potential lives every time (Hitler eat your heart out!), and for that matter, while we're outlawing the destruction of all this potential life, we better outlaw female ovulation because every woman murders 12 innocent potential people every year! [sarcasm off] The point is that we must think very carefully before making a purely emotive judgement on this subject. We can't always follow what we think is the "ideal" path. We must think realistically. It is impossible for me to think of a zygote as a human being fully protected under the law, fully recognized as an independent entity, and one that can support its own existence. Now of course some of you may argue that an infant is also dependent and not autonomous. Well, dependent on others for physical needs (food, protection, shelter, etc.) but it is not BIOLOGICALLY dependent on another's body for existence as a zygote is. I would prefer (if I have to make a choice) to call an embryo a human when it is capable of existing outside the womb. At this point it has ceased to be an attachment to the female and has achieved at least a modicum of independence. -- Tom Twiss @ St. Olaf College {decvax|ihnp4}!stolaf!twiss "If the Paradox and the Reason come together in a mutual understanding of their unlikeliness their encounter will be happy..." -Soren Kierkegaard