Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site sdcc12.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ittvax!dcdwest!sdcsvax!sdcc12!wa371 From: wa371@sdcc12.UUCP (wa371) Newsgroups: net.abortion Subject: Abortion and the taking of life. Message-ID: <124@sdcc12.UUCP> Date: Thu, 22-Nov-84 20:20:16 EST Article-I.D.: sdcc12.124 Posted: Thu Nov 22 20:20:16 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 23-Nov-84 08:04:28 EST Distribution: net Organization: U.C. San Diego, Academic Computer Center Lines: 28 Forgive me if the following has been covered already--I am new to this discussion. If abortion is not murder when it does not involve the taking of life then someone please tell me when life begins. (Facts only, no quotes from the Bible, or other *belief* systems, please!!) Since both the sperm and the ovum are alive even before joining, the beginning of life is not at conception either. To place it there is as arbitrary as placing it anytime after (or before) conception. It seems that the beginning of life for everyone who has existed or is yet to be conceived was in the primordial soup billions of years ago. Therefore, If the taking of any life is murder: Any abortion is murder. Any form of birth control is murder, because the sperm and the ovum will die without joining. Any woman is a murderess if she does not stay pregnant. Every man is a murderer because most of the sperm that he produces will die anyway. Wet dreams are mass murder. Celibacy is murder. Therefore we are all murderers. So, the best we can do is to minimize the murdering. An unwanted child will be (emotionally) murdered countless times in his/her lifetime. Is that better than one *early* abortion? PS: Please don't tell me that sperm and ovum do not constitute human life! Bernd