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Subject: Re: Re: Misogyny (Morley Safer on Burning Brides)
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Date: Wed, 14-Nov-84 12:03:22 EST
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> Actually, the problem is far greater than Richard has pointed out.
> Some of you may think this is stretching it, but I believe that if we
> continue with our male dominated world which so thoroughly invalidates
> the eastern/feminine values in favor of the western/masculine values,
> then we can count on the end of civilization as we know it, because the
> men are determined to nuke us back into the stone age just to prove that
> their weapons are bigger than their competitions is.  If we don't ALL
> start loving ALL our brothers&sisters on this planet, we're gonna ALL
> lose big.  Reagan in 84, war in 85.  (flames to net.politics).  Hey,
> folks, we've only got one world, and it's pretty fragile.  We've only
> got one race, the human race.  If you hate/burn/torture/rape/plunder/pillage
> anyone and rationalize it as being ok because the victim is of another
> sex/race/religion/operating system/programming language/persuasion, then
> you've got your head thoroughly wedged ... oh, this isn't net.flame.
> (well, I don't read net.flame, despite the cross posting).

All men want to destroy the world, and all women want peace, right? I've
always suspected that there was some difference... What drivel some people
are capable of.

> 	Now that Richard has brought up the subject of misogyny, I'd like
> to open up a sub-discussion about misogyny, which ignores the specific case
> Richard brought up, and to which I sparked(no flames yet) above. Specifically:
> regardless of whether you personally hate or distrust women, why do you think
> people in general do so (what a clever way for you to disquise your own
> opinion, and blame it on someone else, no?).  I mean, (lapsing back to
> Richard's example) I don't recall hearing of them burning Warlocks in Salem,
> only Witches.  Why is it that (some) men have this fear of women?
> (psychologically, of course, we all know that everyone fears the unknown,
> that fear turns to anger and hatred:  thus fear is the root problem).

I don't think that people IN GENERAL hate or distrust women... Some people do,
but if you think that this is a basic part of male psychology you must
have some serious problems yourself.

> 	For all those tempted to flame, allow me to provide the kindling:
> Let us presume that we are talking about those men who fear women in general,
> and let us also presume that we've excluded those  who fear women because of
> childhood traumas involving women (mom,sis,aunt,etc), and are referring to
> those who's fear has matured into misogyny...

Of course, there are no men who DON'T fear women. I find it very hard to take
seriously people who make such sweeping and self-righteous generalizations.

	Wayne