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From: leif@erix.UUCP (Leif Samuelsson)
Newsgroups: net.flame
Subject: Re: newsgroup wishlist (FLAME)
Message-ID: <680@erix.UUCP>
Date: Fri, 16-Nov-84 16:28:00 EST
Article-I.D.: erix.680
Posted: Fri Nov 16 16:28:00 1984
Date-Received: Sun, 18-Nov-84 03:35:38 EST
References: <6101@mcvax.UUCP> <85@echbull.UUCP> <45@kvvax9.UUCP> <663@erix.UUCP> <536@kvvax4.UUCP> <125@chalmers.UUCP> <541@kvvax4.UUCP>
Reply-To: leif@erix.UUCP (Leif Samuelsson)
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Organization: L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden
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Summary: 

In article <536@kvvax4.UUCP> esa@kvvax4.UUCP (Esa K Viitala) writes:
>
>[Bugs! Hauska tappa vanha tuttu.]
>
>It is not always the direct costs in money that counts, there are other
>things, too. Such as lost working hours (or do you claim to read
>thousands of lines in zero time).  And other moral arguments belonging
>to the same class.  But for myself, one of the most important argument
>against too many (?) too non-technical (?) groups is that the Net loses
>users. People start taking the Net as a toy and not a tool.  And that's
>a shame.  If the Net starts losing its value and meaning in the eyes of
>people who sit on money and have large shoes, it will be very very
>expensive development. This kind of costs are not easily patched by
>X.25 either.
>
>It is not only the non-technical groups which are to be blamed.  Look
>at the unix-wizards, a huge group, lots of articles but only once a
>while an article interesting enough to make it worthwhile to scramble
>through that group.
>Another point is, how many good articles are left unread because
>of the bad articles have frightened the readers to hit the 'U' key?
>I'd like to have the Net as it is (we get all the groups mcvax gets),
>but I'm also a bit afraid of showing the contents of all the articles
>to my management. They wouldn't wholly understand. For demonstration
>purposes I have a pushkey programmed to 'readnews -x -n unix-wizards'
>:-).
>
>But I also enjoy reading jokes, the dirtier the better ...  I have very
>few !'s in my .newsrc file and only 30 minutes lunch break, which is
>too short to read all the news :-).  However, I wouldn't object to
>quitting with a few non-techincal nonsense groups. But only to have
>time to eat my sandwitches, of course :-).
>-- 
>
>---ekv,  {seismo,decvax,philabs}!mcvax!kvport!{kvvax4,kvvax9}!esa
>Organization: Kongsberg Vaapenfabrikk, CTG, P.O Box 25,
>N-3601 Kongsberg, Norway


How long do we have to put up with this?

Norway has a tradition of censorship, for the protection of it's
people. "Somebody may not like this movie, better not let
anybody see it." In this case the motivation is "My boss doesn't
like it if I read non-technical news, please remove it from the
net altogether"!

Esa, have you also stopped all the newspaper shops in your area
from selling comic books and other non-technical publications?

Amsterdam, is it possible to cut off all the non-technical
newsgroups to Norway and give them the appropriate discount?
Then maybe the rest of us can go and discuss more important
things like how do we get the americans to reduce the amount of
local stuff being distributed world-wide.

Do I take the net for granted? Not more than I take the telephone
for granted. (I have been known to make jokes on the phone, maybe
my boss will think it is a toy! :-)

And whoever said the net would not be open for private people
with PC:s?


Leif Samuelsson

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