Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site ucsfcgl.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!decvax!ucbvax!ucsfcgl!arnold From: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (Ken Arnold%UCB) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.motss Subject: Re: "Gay Rights" Message-ID: <390@ucsfcgl.UUCP> Date: Wed, 14-Nov-84 14:50:14 EST Article-I.D.: ucsfcgl.390 Posted: Wed Nov 14 14:50:14 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 17-Nov-84 02:15:38 EST References: <214@usfbobo.UUCP> <238@rlgvax.UUCP> Reply-To: arnold@ucsfcgl.UUCP (PUT YOUR NAME HERE) Organization: UCSF Computer Graphics Lab Lines: 33 Summary: >> For the N+2nd time: There are two parties involved in the proposed civil >> suit. One is a homosexual, the other is a Bible-believing citizen who >> adamantly refuses to recognize the "rights" of the homosexual. The Bible- >> believing citizen will refuse to accept your arguments concerning >> tolerance... > > Just because Bible-believing citizens >don't like gays doesn't mean we have to honor their views. > > [ other similar phrases by both authors ] I made this point in an earlier article, and the absence of such phrases made be believe I had been successful. I suppose it is more likely that my message didn't get out. I do not know of any Christian who does not believe in the Bible. However, many Christians I know do not consider homosexuals criminals, do not believe in disciminating against them, do not believe they are sick and need to be reformed. Some Christians I know are gay, and are comfortable with their God. The fact is that very few generalizations can be made about believers in the Bible. There are very peaceful and quiet believers and there are agressive (even violent) and missionary believers, and everything in between (and beyond) these endpoints. The problem with making (and accepting) such generalizations is that you have to then invent some word or phrase which describes the Christians not covered by Dave Brunson's (or whoever's) Bible beliefs. Try and convince the gay congregations (there are several in this country) that they are not Bible believers, and that they should be called "Bible-nonbelievers". Good luck. Until you do, please do not use such phrases. Ken Arnold