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Subject: Other Ayn Rand Devotee's
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Date: Wed, 21-Nov-84 16:17:00 EST
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Posted: Wed Nov 21 16:17:00 1984
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> Yes, I thought I heard dem ol' bones of Ayn Rand rattling in Greenberg's
> arguments even before he admitted it.

> He's got it all wrong, of course, thinking that I'm putting the "rights
> of the programmer" ahead of my own, and that I would end up poorer because
> of it.

But of course you'd end up poorer....financially.  Of course, you may not
be in business to make money, but I am.  And I don't "admit" that I
believe in much of Ayn Rands.  That implies shame. 

She might be right....and you might be wrong...

> Let me just say that I would prefer monetary bankruptcy than
> ethical and spiritual bankruptcy.  If I see a potential for injustice done
> where I would share complicity in the act, it is my duty to make sure that
> I avoid it.

No question.....When I see an injustice done, I make sure I avoid it, too.
Like the injustice of a client being forced to have someone work for them
that they would rather not.  I am uncomfortable with the situation.  Now,
perhaps I'm wrong here (being heterosexual), but I consider gayness to not
be a genetic thing, but rather a matter of choice.  Just like certain
political views are a matter of choice.  Would you consider forcing 
someone to hire/retain someone who had a philosophical/political view that
they disagreed with?? I don't think so.  But now bring up any sexual
preference and suddenly we get to call it discrimination??


> The simple fact is that we both
> have principles: it is merely that for Greenberg, here, it is materialism:
> the almighty buck, the continued existence of a business.

Nope...you got it wrong, kiddo... Materialism should NEVER be confused
with capitalism.  I do believe in capitalism --- it gives us these nifty
computers to play with.  And perhaps I just feel that if a person chooses
to bring to light their gayness in a business situation, they must live
with their actions.  I think that the client had a right.  I made a 
choice.  You disagree with it.  Ok....opinions are what makes horse-races.
But don't try to hang me up to dry over someone elses sexual preferences.
It they want/must be gay, let them live with it, don't force me to.
I really don't care about a persons sexual preferences, but you want
me to take such things into consideration???  Is that reverse discrimination
I see??

And this discussion, I feel, has more to do about the subject of net.motss
than it does about net.philosphy.


Ross M. Greenberg  @ NYU   ---->  allegra!cmcl2!acf4!greenber  <----