Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site pucc-k Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!inuxc!pur-ee!CS-Mordred!Pucc-H:Pucc-I:Pucc-K:agz From: agz@pucc-k (Andrew Banta) Newsgroups: net.religion,net.motss Subject: Re: David Brunson, come on down Message-ID: <612@pucc-k> Date: Tue, 20-Nov-84 10:41:05 EST Article-I.D.: pucc-k.612 Posted: Tue Nov 20 10:41:05 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 25-Nov-84 03:25:13 EST References: <177@u1100s.UUCP> <464@uwmacc.UUCP>, <1141@bbncca.ARPA> <220@usfbobo.UUCP> Organization: Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University Lines: 32 > At some point in the entertainment it dawned on me that > some people actually believe that "tolerance" is valid as a universal > principle -- a sort of supreme, irrefutable dogma suitable as a basis > for public policy positions. The discussion then changed so as to > explore this concept more fully. Unfortunately we have had to proceed > at the level of the slower students (after all, these people are actually > allowed to vote!) at the expense of those who raise valid points (I am > thinking of Steve Bellovin and, very occasionally, Rich Rosen). If the > slower students can admit that they are guided by learned value orientation > and not Reason or Logic, then we can proceed to more interesting questions, > such as, what values are appropriate for public policy decisions? How quaint. We dismiss certain people's opinions,because they are "learned value orientation". OK, Prof. Dave, explain to me where you got your values. They came to you through reason and logic? I kinda doubt this, it seems to me that it is infinitely more reasonable and logical to be tolerant of the other people in the world. You don't have to like them, but you should at least be tolerant of them. I sent out an article on this before, explaining what sorts of people should and shouldn't be tolerant of, ie people hwo are a menace to society or certain individuals should not be tolerated; those who, although possibly injuring themselves, do no harm others should be tolerated. I have no objection to you trying to help these people see they are hurting themselves, but please don't tel them they are unacceptable as human beings because they don't fit into your ideal human likeness. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Andy Banta {decvax!allegra!ihnp4}!pur-ee!pucc-k!agz Dept. of Mental Instability, Purdue University --- "I'm OK, You're a CS Major" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------