Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site dciem.UUCP Path: utzoo!dciem!mmt From: mmt@dciem.UUCP (Martin Taylor) Newsgroups: net.nlang Subject: Re: Spelling reform does *not* discourage reading literature Message-ID: <1211@dciem.UUCP> Date: Sun, 18-Nov-84 15:52:01 EST Article-I.D.: dciem.1211 Posted: Sun Nov 18 15:52:01 1984 Date-Received: Sun, 18-Nov-84 18:23:58 EST References: <388@fisher.UUCP> Organization: D.C.I.E.M., Toronto, Canada Lines: 41 English may be the most strangely spelled language in common use, but it could never be practical to develop a uniform phonetic spelling. Whose phonetics would you use? If you say that it should be the sounds of the largest single group of English speakers, you might well wind up with the phonetics of the Indian sub-continent. Would that help US readers? Even if you take the position of primacy, and allow the English to determine the spelling according to their phonetics, you will get some strange things. Not all "gh" spellings are useless in all English dialects, for example, even though they may be silent in most dialects. Many US books claim "o" and "a" (I don't have phonetic symbols on my terminal) are the same sound, but you won't get most of the English-speaking world to agree. Secondly, it helps the reader (if not the writer) to have different spellings for homophones, and to have similar spellings for related words that are pronounced differently. The spellings provide just one more, usually redundant, clue as to the meaning of the word. The languages whose written forms have lasted longest in the world have not been alphabetic. Current world record-holder, and still running, is Chinese. It can be read by a wide range of people whose dialects are even less mutually intelligible than are those of English. The runner-up seems to be Egyptian hieroglyphic writing, which contains clues to sound, to meaning, and to syllabification, among other clues. The argument about phonetic spelling is based on the idea that written language is a way to record speech. It isn't, and there is no evidence that it ever was. Grafting spoken forms onto written language was quite a recent idea in the history of symbolic representation (well, perhaps not so recent, but long after its invention as a system for keeping business records). People don't write the way they talk, for very good reason. There are arguments of convenience for having some reasonable degree of phonetic representation in an alphabetic script, but unless the language itself is very regular, a completely phonetic representation is neither practical nor desirable. -- Martin Taylor {allegra,linus,ihnp4,floyd,ubc-vision}!utzoo!dciem!mmt {uw-beaver,qucis,watmath}!utcsrgv!dciem!mmt