Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 exptools 1/6/84; site iham1.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!cbosgd!ihnp4!iham1!gjphw From: gjphw@iham1.UUCP Newsgroups: net.origins Subject: Re: Re: SOR pamphlet #2 - (nf) Message-ID: <257@iham1.UUCP> Date: Mon, 26-Nov-84 17:02:36 EST Article-I.D.: iham1.257 Posted: Mon Nov 26 17:02:36 1984 Date-Received: Tue, 27-Nov-84 04:35:27 EST References: <32500008@uiucdcsb.UUCP> <32500010@uiucdcsb.UUCP> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Naperville, IL Lines: 74 This article is intended to criticize two issues mentioned in A.R. Miller's (uiucdcsb!miller) posting of SOR pamphlet #2. While both issues have been debated in the past, it appears as if the discussions have not had any discernible effect on introductory pamphlets intended for public consumption (see especially SOR pamphlet #1). The representation of chemistry as an exercise in combinatorics and the prerequisites for classical thermodynamics are in dispute. In the section labeled TIME PLUS CHANCE, arguments against a natural origin for life are advanced based upon the huge number of different combinations of elements that must be tried before a self-sustaining and self-reproducing system can be discovered. While it is an interesting mental exercise, it is not correct to imply that all combinations of all elements are equally likely to occur. The calculations provided in this section assume that any combination of nucleotides in a DNA chain are equally likely. The operant concept that is suspect is *random*. Chemistry is not the study of random combinations of atoms but rather the elucidations of the rules that govern combinations of atoms; it is a study of order and patterns, not randomness. Elements preferentially form certain compounds in specified environmental conditions. It is premature to consider that all is known about the possible rules governing the formation of DNA from nucleotides and proteinoids. While there is little doubt that a trial of all random combinations would require an immense amount of time, who has the available evidence to support the argument that all nucleotide combinations are equally likely, and therefore random? Within the section labeled THERMODYNAMICS, two errors are apparent. The first is the assertion that evolution begins with disorganized matter and ends with Homo sapiens. As written by Darwin, evolution as a biological principle begins with the existence of living organisms and attempts to describe the present relationships among living organisms. The admittedly large step of abiogenesis is not subsumed under traditional evolutionary theory. Second, the statement of the second law of thermodynamics (entropy) is not precise. While it is expected that an isolated system will go toward equilibrium (i.e., uniform and constant temperature, pressure, etc.), no mention is made as to how long might be required to achieve this equilibrium state. More precisely, classical thermodynamics is an idealization which applies to systems at equilibrium, with the definition of what constitutes a system left rather vague. If the prerequisite for the application of entropy is a system at equilibrium, there would appear to be few places for this law to operate on the surface of the Earth. Systems or clusters or aggregates not at equilibrium may still move toward greater disorder, but the basis is not then derived from a naive application of the second law of thermodynamics. Since the identification of the second law of thermodynamics with the order of a system involves the use of statistical physics (Newton's laws applied to a large collection of molecules), conditions which violate the prerequisites of thermodynamics can be explored using statistical physics. The first condition for thermodynamics is a system at equilibrium. To achieve equilibrium, all parts and molecules of the system must be able to continuously exchange energy and momentum with one another. In other words, a system must be at least spatially contiguous. A second condition for the application of thermodynamics is that all forces must be of short range. Systems involving gravitation violate this prerequisite, though if the gravitation is uniform throughout the system, corrections can be applied. But remember, all of these predictions involving entropy are based upon Boltzmann's theory of gases which is, after all, only a theory! -- Patrick Wyant AT&T Bell Laboratories (Naperville, IL) *!iham1!gjphw