Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site pyuxd.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!gamma!pyuxww!pyuxd!rlr From: rlr@pyuxd.UUCP (Rich Rosen) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.philosophy Subject: Re: Comments on Libertarianism Message-ID: <272@pyuxd.UUCP> Date: Thu, 15-Nov-84 00:11:19 EST Article-I.D.: pyuxd.272 Posted: Thu Nov 15 00:11:19 1984 Date-Received: Fri, 16-Nov-84 04:35:10 EST References: <47@cbsck.UUCP> <2773@ucbcad.UUCP> <2597@ihldt.UUCP> Organization: Bell Communications Research, Piscataway N.J. Lines: 20 It boils down to this: libertarians value individual freedom as paramount. (As, I admit, I do myself.) Yet they claim that they have no responsibility to the society that they live in. Democracy provides for majority rule and law, and sets up the rules governing how the benefits a society is supposed to provide get distributed, AND how each person is to be responsible for contributing (monetarily or otherwise) to the sustenance of society and its benefits. Those who choose to claim "I get no benefits from society" are clearly lying, unless they live in a cave, built their own domiciles with their hands and make no use of ANY societally provided facility. (Obviously anyone using this network doesn't qualify, since they are a priori using resources belong to other members of the society---even if they own their own computers, priced as they were by society's marketplace, they are using a public telephone network. Why does the libertarian standpoint sound like the rantings of a child who wants something but doesn't want to have to do what is required (e.g., work, interact sociably with other people) to get it? -- AT THE TONE PLEASE LEAVE YOUR NAME AND NET ADDRESS. THANK YOU. Rich Rosen pyuxd!rlr