Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83 (MC840302); site erix.UUCP Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!mcvax!enea!erix!mike From: mike@erix.UUCP (Mike Williams) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: US weapons in Europe Message-ID: <688@erix.UUCP> Date: Thu, 22-Nov-84 07:08:49 EST Article-I.D.: erix.688 Posted: Thu Nov 22 07:08:49 1984 Date-Received: Sat, 24-Nov-84 01:59:59 EST References: <470@utcsrgv.UUCP> <116@talcott.UUCP> <6190@mcvax.UUCP> Reply-To: mike@erix.UUCP (Mike Williams) Organization: L M Ericsson, Stockholm, Sweden Lines: 30 Summary: In article <6190@mcvax.UUCP> steven@mcvax.UUCP (Steven Pemberton) writes: >Just because European governments want US arms doesn't mean European people >want them, as is well demonstrated in Holland among others, where the great >majority of people don't want the wretched things. And it doesn't mean >either that we won't complain about the governments wanting them! I agree with you about the bombs, but I think your argument is a bit dangerous. What people want and what governments want are often two different things. Most representative democracies do not work on the basis that the people elected (Members of Parliament or what ever they are called) represent the views of the people. The principle seems more to be that the people elected should have the old "wise man" role and do what they think is appropriate. This has both advantages and disadvantages. One of the disadvantages is that they seemed to have been conned by the US polititians into thinking that US nuclear arms in Europe will contribute to European defence. One advantage is the their attitudes to capital punishment. For example in Britain hanging would have been re-introduced long ago since the vast majority of British electors support it. The problem about nuclear weapons in Europe is that it is very hard to make their existence a political issue which can affect the outcome of an election. Recent documentary films on TV about the consequences of nuclear war do seem to be having some effect - the only way to rid ourselves of the "beastly things" is to make people in Europe realise that the nuclear arms issue is the most important political issue in the world today. Mike Williams