Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site ssc-vax.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!ssc-vax!eder From: eder@ssc-vax.UUCP (Dani Eder) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: Government waste Message-ID: <218@ssc-vax.UUCP> Date: Tue, 20-Nov-84 16:57:42 EST Article-I.D.: ssc-vax.218 Posted: Tue Nov 20 16:57:42 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 28-Nov-84 03:24:56 EST References: <20300001@hpfcla.UUCP> <331@whuxl.UUCP> <651@loral.UUCP> Organization: Boeing Aerospace Co., Seattle, WA Lines: 33 > In article <331@whuxl.UUCP> orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) writes: > >I would like to see the list of programs being included in this > >Tim Sevener whuxl!orb My source is the "Statistical Abstract of the United States", 1982-3 edition, pp 319, and 446-7. The aggregate income deficit in 1980 was $29.7 billion. This is the total amount you would have to give (in cash or benefits) to all individuals below the poverty line to bring them all up to the poverty line. By the government's definition of poverty, then, it would be eliminated. Before counting government programs, there were 23.62 million poor people in 1980. After counting the benefits from government programs, 13.6 million people were still below the poverty line. If you assume that government assistance is distributed equally to all poor persons (it isn't, but the distribution data aren't in my source), then the average poor person moves up to just about the poverty line. The following list is in billions of dollars. It includes significant programs primarily to help the poor, and specifically excludes unemployment insurance, and social security: Medicaid $25.8 , Misc Health Programs $1.7 , AFDC (welfare) $13.4 , SSI $8.4, Veterans Pensions $3.6 , Earned Income Credit $2.0, General Assistance $1.4, Food Stamps $9.6, School Lunch $2.7, Misc Food Programs $1.1, Job Programs $8.7, Subsidized Housing $8.4, Subsidized Education $4.6, Energy Assistance $1.7 TOTAL - $93.1 billion My personal opinion is that the government assistance programs are achieving their goals, but that they are spending three times the amount required, i.e. 200% overhead. Clearly there is room for improvement. Dani Eder / Boeing Aerospace Company / ssc-vax!eder / (206)773-4545