Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/5/84; site whuxl.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxj!houxm!whuxl!orb From: orb@whuxl.UUCP (SEVENER) Newsgroups: net.politics Subject: Re: On peace and weapons Message-ID: <370@whuxl.UUCP> Date: Tue, 27-Nov-84 18:12:21 EST Article-I.D.: whuxl.370 Posted: Tue Nov 27 18:12:21 1984 Date-Received: Wed, 28-Nov-84 04:34:54 EST References: <671@loral.UUCP> Organization: Bell Labs Lines: 45 >From Ray Simard: > [The finger on the button is Yours!] > To expess it a bit differently, these (and all other) weapons exist > because of attitudes of attack/defend in the minds of nearly everyone. The > problem I have with freezes, the gesture at Brown U. and other such things > is that they focus the energy of the protest on the hardware - things, > rather than human attitudes, perceptions, and policies. > > See the father teaching his son that it is "unmanly" to decline to fight > when challenged. See the almost universal inability to say to those who > hurt us, that we are above the pain, and we forgive - automatically, NO > MATTER WHAT. > Summarizing: the only significant progress in world peace will come > when there is no longer any inclination to build weapons - not due to fear > of their consequences, but rather a total absence of any sense of needing > them. > > .... When people learn it's not losing face to make peace with those > with whom they are feuding ... > the (ostensible) goals of the peace movement come to fruition. > > Peace begins at home. Let's start a peace movement there, where it > counts. Yes, it is true that hateful attitudes are a major cause of war. In order to help dispell such attitudes Roger Mollander had a VERY good suggestion: instead of spending a billion dollars on some new weapon spend it on an exchange program between the US and USSR so both sides will realize the other side is not demonic but merely human. When you become friends with your "enemies" you come to have a different attitude towards them. As far as promoting "peace at home" I have my own suggestion: replace policemen's guns with tranquilizer devices. Of course this is the type of "hardware" solution Ray says doesn't work. But it is NOT simply a matter of hardware- our total reliance on hardware solutions such as guns and nuclear weapons to social conflicts reflects a basic attitude towards violence: namely that the only way to prevent violence is to threaten more violence. By moving away from this type of solution towards methods which actually can *prevent* violence without merely increasing violence we are showing how the world *can* begin to do without such violent means. "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind" tim sevener whuxl!orb