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From: devnulvax@stolaf.UUCP (Anonymous)
Newsgroups: net.religion
Subject: Re: RICH ROSEN'S misconceptions
Message-ID: <2200@stolaf.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 25-Nov-84 01:23:37 EST
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Posted: Sun Nov 25 01:23:37 1984
Date-Received: Mon, 26-Nov-84 02:14:57 EST
Organization: St. Anonymous College, Anonymous, MN
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[Please chomp here.]

> = Ken Nichols
] = Ken Montgomery
  = Hapless asbestos-lined smurf (i.e., moi)

>  And I have the
>internal (I say from the Holy Spirit, you say from myself) evidences of peace
>and security, etc.
]
]This is also not evidence.  We have no way of knowing for sure that 
]you do in fact gain peace and security, etc.

That approach may work in the instance of a proving a mathematical theorem,
but doesn't when it comes to evaluating the evidence presented by a complex
human being.  I don't think that you are as straight-laced as to say, after
someone has responded to your "How are you?" with an "I'm fine.", something
like, "I don't believe you - prove it."  You can't really entirely know.
(apart from a little healthy naiivite) And if you can't be conclusively *proven*
as to any person's well-being*, you also have no reason to believe the opposite 
- that any person isn't a mass murderer. (Take that "reasonable" mentality to 
it's logical end and see where it's gotten us, as society)    
* by their works.

]. . .I consider science to be reasonable
]because it *works*, not because of what any person says about it.

Has the development of nuclear weapons in the last 20 years or so done
anything for your peace of mind, or made your life worth any more?  It
sure works, but for whose benefit, yours or the Nobel Prize winner's career/
reputation? 

]Nothing can convince *me* except hard evidence.  Do you have any way to
]*show me beyond a shadow of a doubt* that the "Spirit of God" even exists?

*I* couldn't, because, as was stated before by K. Nichols, what conclusions
you would get out of any evidence that Christianity could come up with would
completely depend on the mentality that you take into interpreting it. For that
matter, do you have any way to show me (a non-Physics major) beyond a shadow 
of a doubt that atoms exist?  
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William Gulley-  		       {ihnp4 | decvax}!stolaf!gulley
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