Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.2 9/18/84; site brl-tgr.ARPA Path: utzoo!linus!philabs!cmcl2!seismo!brl-tgr!internet!boyle@ANL-MCS.ARPA From: boyle@ANL-MCS.ARPA Newsgroups: net.unix-wizards Subject: Re: Unix Bugs vs. VMS bugs Message-ID: <5940@brl-tgr.ARPA> Date: Tue, 20-Nov-84 11:58:52 EST Article-I.D.: brl-tgr.5940 Posted: Tue Nov 20 11:58:52 1984 Date-Received: Thu, 22-Nov-84 06:25:27 EST Sender: news@brl-tgr.ARPA Organization: Ballistic Research Lab Lines: 23 Let me second Mike Muuss's comments about Standard Vendor Support. For years (before obtaining Unix), I lived with IBM's support. Bug fixes toke 9-18 months to receive; by that time, who cares? There were stupid performance bugs (that sold systems, no doubt), such as the PL/I memory allocation routine that searched the free list for an optimally sized fragment, but didn't stop when it found an exact match! Perhaps the worst problem was that we received the weekly bug fix tapes Mike described, but dared not install any that didn't address problems that we had not experienced--many, perhaps most, of the fixes broke something else. A result of this is that several times I spent time chasing a bug and working out a demo case, only to be told "IBM has a fix for that, but we didn't install it". Now who's wasting time? Finally, this supported software was not reliable. I think we averaged at least one software-caused crash per day. I'll take Unix, preferrably with a small vendor whom I can call on the telephone, any day. Jim Boyle Math and Comp Sci Div Argonne Nat'l Lab