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From: jhull@spp2.UUCP
Newsgroups: net.flame,net.politics
Subject: Re: Re: Gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!
Message-ID: <392@spp2.UUCP>
Date: Tue, 22-Jan-85 17:41:09 EST
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Posted: Tue Jan 22 17:41:09 1985
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References: <118@decwrl.UUCP> <210@talcott.UUCP> <479@ukma.UUCP> <360@spp2.UUCP> <818@reed.UUCP>
Reply-To: jhull@spp2.UUCP (Jeff Hull)
Organization: TRW, Redondo Beach  CA
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Summary: 

In article <360@spp2.UUCP> jhull@spp2.UUCP (Jeff Hull) (me) writes:
>>In those circumstances (4 armed assailants and me armed with a
>>revolver), I would have killed all 4 (or been killed myself).  

In article <818@reed.UUCP> lydgate@reed.UUCP (Chris Lydgate) responds:
>If this were indeed the choice, then I would admire your
>decision. But do you believe that someone *has* to die?
>What would you have to lose by just revealing your weapon
>and warning your muggers that you can kill them? ...

Control of the tactical situation.

>Surely
>the point of a weapon is to deter someone from doing
>something that you don't want. But if you place any value
>at all on human life, (and I assume you do, reading your
>postings in net.abortion), then you should seek to deter
>without seeking to kill. ...

I seek to deter without using weapons at all.  I talk.  I run away.  I
ask others around us to get involved.  If an assailant is willing to be
deterred, he (she?) will never know I have a weapon.  For me, violence
is a last resort, I use it only when I feel I have no alternative
available.  But when I do use it, I don't pussyfoot around.

My belief is, while a person is engaged in felonious behavior, he has
no right to freedom from violence from his fellow citizens.  He has 
voluntarily foregone this right.  His fellow citizens do have a right 
to prevent his felonious behavior by any legal means.  This does not
mean that a person ACCUSED of a crime has no civil rights.  But, I
believe a person injured while in the commission of a felony should be
allowed no recourse against the person(s) who injured him.  (I know
that this is not current judiciary ruling.  It is what I think ought
to be accepted behavior in the US.)

P.S.  The only weapon I carry is a pocketknife which I use to open 
letters and clean my fingernails.  I own handguns and rifles which are
used for hunting and enough target practice to make me dangerous to my 
intended target rather than myself or bystanders.
-- 
					Blessed Be,

 					Jeff Hull
 {ihnp4}trwrb!trwspp!spp2!jhull		13817 Yukon Ave.
					Hawthorne, CA 90250