Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83 based; site houxm.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!gregbo From: gregbo@houxm.UUCP (Greg Skinner) Newsgroups: net.politics,net.religion Subject: Re: It Cant Happen Here Message-ID: <1097@houxm.UUCP> Date: Sun, 27-Jan-85 14:38:29 EST Article-I.D.: houxm.1097 Posted: Sun Jan 27 14:38:29 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 28-Jan-85 06:47:24 EST References: <7601@brl-tgr.ARPA> Organization: AT&T Bell Labs, Holmdel NJ Lines: 33 Xref: watmath net.politics:7200 net.religion:5379 From: jcp@brl-tgr.ARPA (Joe Pistritto ) >In article <643@ccice5.UUCP> rdz@ccice5.UUCP (Robert D. Zarcone) writes: >>> Religions and their believers are not and never have been, >>> above the law. >>> >>> Groups who wish immigration laws changed should write their >>> congressmen, not break the law by smuggling in people from Central >>> America (or anywhere else). And besides, what the hell do they >>> think they're changing by smuggling in a few hundred people anyway? >>> >>> -JCP- >>In reguards to your above statements: >>1. I would assume it's been a long time since you had a history course. >>2. Maybe a few hundred deaths? What about the laws of mankind? There's this good 'ol, one, which the first Americans failed to apply to blacks (or did they not consider blacks to be men?) which says "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, being endowed by their Creator ..." Someone mentioned the abolitionist movement, which in fact was against the law (which was as stated, the right for man to own other men, and to use them until such a time as they could obtain their freedom through some sort of payment, or dismissal), but is in accordance with what is stated in the Consitution ("secure the blessings of liberty ..."). This can also be applied to the smuggling of Poles into France and Switzerland late in the European theater of WWII. There are times when some things must be done, *even if* they violate stated laws, so that men may be free. -- Baby tie your hair back in a long white bow ... Meet me in the field, behind the dynamo ... Greg Skinner (gregbo) {allegra,cbosgd,ihnp4}!houxm!gregbo