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From: adolph@ssc-vax.UUCP (Mark Adolph)
Newsgroups: net.singles
Subject: Re: New attitudes
Message-ID: <350@ssc-vax.UUCP>
Date: Sun, 20-Jan-85 03:25:19 EST
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Posted: Sun Jan 20 03:25:19 1985
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> I see it as part of a larger movement towards conservatism and
> a concommitant return to the values of the fifties.  
>
> Returning to school
> in 1982 after a ten year hiatus I was shocked to see the 
> changes that had taken place.  

Having spent only 5 years at Stanford (up until June '84), I was pretty
shocked at the changes that occured in just the time that I was there.
I was in a fairly unique position to observe these changes since I spent
my last 3 years there teaching 1 - 3 massage workshops per week in dorms
all over campus (I long ago lost count of how many heads and backs (of 
various sexes) I've rubbed).  My massage used oil, which generally implied 
bare backs.  This never struck me as overly risque since back fetishists
have been getting full gratification at beaches for years.  When I first 
learned massage around 1980, there was no problem with this.  In fact, I 
learned at an all-day, all-nude, full-body workshop.  During spring of '84, 
I attempted to recreate this workshop.  Attendance was very low, and those 
who came discreetly excused themselves somewhere between back and buttock 
massage.

What we are discussing here is not sexual encounters, as I explained at 
every workshop.  This stuff was *enjoyable*, but not sexual.  I might
as well have been trying to convince Anita Bryant of what a wonderful
city San Francisco is.

I think that the insidious thing about this whole conservative business
is a creeping close-mindedness.  I have infinitely more respect for a
person who says, "I tried that and *I* didn't care for it" than a person
who simply yells "EEEEEEK!!" and runs away to the safety of their 
unchallenged beliefs.  

					-- Mark A.
					...uw-beaver!ssc-vax!adolph

	"We'll cross out that bridge when we come back to it later."