Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site utah-gr.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!mhuxr!mhuxb!mhuxn!mhuxm!mhuxj!houxm!vax135!cornell!uw-beaver!tektronix!hplabs!sdcrdcf!sdcsvax!dcdwest!ittvax!decvax!genrad!panda!talcott!harvard!seismo!cmcl2!philabs!pwa-b!utah-gr!haas From: haas@utah-gr.UUCP (Walt Haas) Newsgroups: net.singles Subject: Re: js Message-ID: <1316@utah-gr.UUCP> Date: Fri, 25-Jan-85 17:22:28 EST Article-I.D.: utah-gr.1316 Posted: Fri Jan 25 17:22:28 1985 Date-Received: Sat, 2-Feb-85 11:39:48 EST Organization: Univ of Utah CS Dept Lines: 37 At the risk of getting flames from both directions, I am finally going to insert my $0.02 on this subject. If somebody is playing the "Yes but" game, you are not helping or supporting them by playing the game with them; you are at best allowing them to continue in their customary fashion. In general, playing games interferes with real human communication and does more harm than good in the long run. On the other hand, excluding somebody from a group is not the best way to make them stop playing the game, either. So, how do you get somebody to stop playing games? Good question - a number of clinical psychologists have reputations which rest on their success in doing this. A local professor of note, Ernst Beier, wrote a book called /People Reading/ on the subject which says, basically, "Listen to how you feel when the individual lays their trip on you. The real purpose of the game is probably to make you feel that way. Use this information to figure out a different response which will break up the game and find and address the issue that motivates it." Applying this good advice is easier said than done, although Ernst is famous for making this idea work in practice. I have not, myself, quite mastered the trick... So where does this leave Jeff? Well, he seems to have a lot of unresolved issues of self-worth and a lot of strongly held expectations about how others perceive him. Sometimes issues like this are better resolved in group therapy than in individual therapy. After my divorce several years ago I was in a T group for a few months, with the result that some similar issues which I had were resolved fairly nicely. Based on this experience, I would think that a T group type of environment might help Jeff. Can the net function as a T group? I don't know, but the idea sounds interesting. Usually, however, a T group has a couple of professional counselors, a man and a woman, who keep the group focused on real issues and prevent it from becoming just a party. I don't know if the net has anybody like that available. How about it, does anybody else have T group experience? Regards -- Walt uucp: ...decvax!utah-cs!haas Arpa: HAAS@UTAH-20