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Subject: Mac Pascal
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Date: Fri, 18-Jan-85 14:53:42 EST
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From: Vincent Manis <manis%ubc.csnet@csnet-relay.arpa>

I've been evaluating Mac Pascal for a proposed microcomputer lab
for introductory computer science here. While I'm really impressed
with its capabilities, performance and reliability appear to be 
unacceptable for introductory students. Here's a consolidated list
of things I've read on Info-Mac and things I've discovered for
myself which make me hesitant to endorse it as an introductory 
tool:

   I) Reliability problems

      a) MacPascal disks become unbootable after a number of uses.
      b) If a program is too large, one gets a system error with
         no ability to save the program.
      c) The version I got (in a nice Apple box and all) still seems
         to have a number of bugs.

   II) Performance

      a) It takes a *long* time to compile largish programs.
      b) Programs are recompiled from scratch each time they're run.

   III) Design

      a) It's unreasonable to expect a beginning student to be able
         to manipulate windows sensibly. Unless you're careful,
         you may not have execution windows on the screen, and therefore
         not know whether your program is working.
      b) The 'Pause' mechanism is clumsy, and doesn't always seem to
         get listened to.

   IV) Copy protection
      
      a) You can't put it (reliably) on a hard disk.
      b) If you're running on a 1-drive system, you (or at least an
         unskilled user) will end up writing on the original disk,
         which strikes me as dangerous (especially given some stories
         of drives which eat disks).
      c) You end up having to diddle the system folder on the distribution
         disk if you want to change fonts (see b above).

As a result of these complaints, I'm fairly loath to recommend Mac Pascal
in the introductory courses (I'm already seriously considering MRI's 
Modula-2 in the second-year course). If Apple/Think plan to fix these
problems, fine. If not, maybe there's some truth in the rumours that 
Borland International is going to release Turbo Pascal for the Mac.