Relay-Version: version B 2.10 5/3/83; site utzoo.UUCP Posting-Version: version B 2.10.1 6/24/83; site redwood.UUCP Path: utzoo!watmath!clyde!burl!ulysses!allegra!mit-eddie!godot!harvard!seismo!hao!hplabs!hpda!fortune!rhino!redwood!rpw3 From: rpw3@redwood.UUCP (Rob Warnock) Newsgroups: net.ham-radio,net.auto,net.legal Subject: Re: NJ exempts hams from mobile scanner law Message-ID: <138@redwood.UUCP> Date: Thu, 24-Jan-85 19:21:05 EST Article-I.D.: redwood.138 Posted: Thu Jan 24 19:21:05 1985 Date-Received: Mon, 28-Jan-85 07:16:38 EST References: <452@ihu1h.UUCP> Organization: [Consultant], Foster City, CA Lines: 64 Xref: watmath net.ham-radio:2295 net.auto:5533 net.legal:1360 Bob, thanks for the update, but your "Subject:" says "mobile scanner law", and I don't see "mobile" anywhere in the excerpt you quote: +--------------- | 2A:127-4. "Any person who installs or has a short-wave | receiver operative on frequencies assigned by the FCC for | fire, police, municipal or other governmental uses, is guilty | of a misdemeanor crime of the fourth degree, unless a permit | therefor has first been obtained from the chief of the county | police, or from the chief of the police of the municipality, | wherein such person resides. +--------------- And I am just a little bit, no, a LOT concerned that this is just the tip of the iceberg, or the first slice of the salami game. Sure, hams are now a priviledged class, so that makes everybody in this newsgroup heave a big sigh of relief, but why should ANY class be so priviledged over ordinary people. (Note that there is no guarantee that the criminals this law is intended to deter are not hams... or politicians!) +--------------- | This section does not apply to any fire, police, or other | governmental official of the state, or of any county or muni- | cipality thereof, nor shall it apply to a resident of New | Jersy holding a valid radio amateur license of the Technician, | General, Advanced, or Amateur Extra Class." +--------------- And what about NON-residents of New Jersey who are hams...? or just people driving through...? And non-ham residents, will they all march up and register like good little boys and girls? And what are the possible grounds for denying an applications for such a permit? ("No! You disagreed with me in town meeting last week!", or, "You haven't lived here 10 years.") Or will there be surprise raids of suspicious-looking antennas? Or of anyone who receives out-of-state mail from an electronics store? Not to carry the extrapolation too far towards paranoia, folks, but I think once again our general civil liberties are being restricted on the (unproven) THEORY that such punishments deter criminals. Friends, I am not sure exactly what a "fourth-degree misdemeanor" is (not being a NJ resident), but it's surely inconsequential compared to the felonies such radios are being used for. Maybe more deterrence could be gained by making ANY use of a radio in committing a crime a "special circumstance" or something (as use of a gun is in California), that increases the penalties on conviction. Note: This does NOT make such use itself a crime (which could open up a whole host of other civil liberties problems), but merely adds "oomph" to a conviction. IF (and this is a big "if", I'd want to see some documentation first) the use of scanners (receivers) IS a MAJOR crime problem in New Jersey, the much better solution would be encryption of critical services' transmissions, or conversion to digital transmission (possibly with voice compression and coding redundancy to actually improve S/N in marginal areas). (Plus such a "special circ." law.) --- Not normally politically inclined, but suddenly worried by this new bit of legislative not-so-trivia, I remain (not a ham), Rob Warnock Systems Architecture Consultant UUCP: {ihnp4,ucbvax!dual}!fortune!redwood!rpw3 DDD: (415)572-2607 USPS: 510 Trinidad Lane, Foster City, CA 94404